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The Coonhound Advisor

New Tracking Telemetry Rules
Posted on 01/13/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

It’s no secret there’s been a lot of discussion in the past year on the use of tracking telemetry during a hunt. Ideas of a less restrictive policy have been ongoing far longer. During the past year, several test hunts were held at licensed events, as well as numerous discussions by UKC with avid nite hunters. Reported feedback from test hunts suggest that hunters do, in fact, support a less restrictive telemetry policy, and that allowing their use is a great tool, most specifically and importantly, where safety to hounds is concerned.

Any negative discussion generally surrounds concern for handlers using telemetry to gain an unfair advantage or to cheat in some manner. Some do, in fact, make good arguments; however, we can also easily go overboard with implementing rules to guard against the crook to the point of the honest individual being left with unnecessary sacrifices. Why? A crook is a crook regardless of any written rule. Last time I checked, the nite hunt rules were based on an honor system. In other words, they are there but they still require the hunter to “honor” them. Before we get too carried away with pointing fingers at a crook, think about something as simple as we (considered as being honest) voted to circle a tree that we would have considered slick had it been a pleasure hunt or had our own dog not been a part of it? Where’s the honor in that? Sometimes this topic can hit a little closer to home than we would like for it to. Yes?

It’s time to use the resources available to us for the betterment of our hunt and safety to hounds. If you haven’t heard your hound in a good while, wouldn’t you be more at ease knowing where he was? If he’s in a neighboring barn or snooping around a home owner’s buildings, wouldn’t you want to know so that you can take necessary action, if needed? If the dogs are treed on the river, wouldn’t it be good to know which side? If dogs are treed in a big swamp, would it not be nice to see the best course of travel to and from? The list goes on.

The policy for telemetry use will have only a handful of rigidly enforced, yet simple, rules as follows:_
RULE # 1. Under no circumstances may telemetry be used to determine the scoring of any dog(s).
RULE # 2. If, by way of telemetry, a handler deems dog to be in danger per an item outlined in Rule 7, they may ask for a cast vote to call time out. If a majority is not reached, the handler may withdraw the dog and retrieve it for safety’s sake.
RULE # 3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of the cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.
RULE # 4. When considering the use of telemetry during the hunt, the handler may not interfere with any handler’s ability to listen for their hound. Handlers failing to heed to such a warning by the judge shall have their dog scratched from the cast.
RULE # 5. A Master of Hounds/Panel may not consider any debate that is based on telemetry use.

General Information: The handheld of GPS “tracking only” systems may be carried and powered on during the hunt. A handheld capable of controlling (stimulating or toning) a dog may not be carried or used during the hunt unless the controlling features are disabled and agreed upon as such by all members of the cast. Any handler found to be in violation of any controlling device as outlined under Rule 17 is subject to disciplinary action and/or suspension by UKC.

There are numerous situations that occur in the woods that might get judges in a pickle if they are not careful; however, using good judgment paired with the handful of specific telemetry use rules listed above will eliminate them. If judges quickly distinguish and/or disregard any debates of “my system says so and so”, it will help them considerably. For instance, the following items remain intact regardless of any telemetry use.
 • The judge or majority of the cast must be able to hear a dog before a strike call may be accepted._
• A dog off deep in the country treeing must be heard before a tree call may be accepted.
• Even though you’ve pinpointed the location of a treed dog, the dog(s) must bark every two minutes.
• It must be obvious to the judge (determined via ears or eyes) that a dog is split before assigning split tree points.
• A dog quitting its track is still subject to the eight-minute rule that is kept open by any dog in the cast.
• A dog that went back to the trucks and jumped in the dog box may be failing to hunt but the dog will only be subject to the clock for such when he is “seen” not hunting by the judge.
• A dog leaving tree is determined by the judge’s ears and is never based on the result of a telemetry system.

The bottom line is that handlers must understand that zero information based on telemetry will be considered by a judge or a Master of Hounds when it comes to any scoring debates. Instead, telemetry is only used for other purposes. Number one should always be for safety purposes and peace of mind. Other than that a cast may find their use beneficial when hunting unfamiliar territory, the last spot they could hear a dog trailing from or making their way back to the trucks._

No doubt, this new telemetry policy is huge and a significant change for the sport. If you have your doubts, give it some time and remember that 25 years ago they were saying hunting judges would be the death of the sport. If you’re in the majority that supports this change, use it as intended for the safety of your hound and to the benefit of your hunt.

Award Options at UKC Licensed Events
As times have changed, and clubs must find new methods to raise funds, UKC must reflect those changes. After much consideration, UKC has eliminated past restrictions on monetary awards for licensed events. However, the club must understand and be aware that there may be additional law and tax implications to which to adhere to should they be interested in awarding monetary prizes or conduct any Calcutta/Jackpot/Added Purse type activities at their event. UKC cannot provide any legal advice or information regarding any additional laws and/or tax implications that may be associated with such activities, and is not responsible for any complications that may arise. Clubs are responsible for ensuring compliance on their own, and must know that they proceed at their own risk with any such activities. The distribution of prize money is the sole responsibility of the club. The UKC will not enter into any disputes thereof.

Trophies or plaques are the most popular because they give winners a memento by which to remember that hunt. Clubs may also choose to have a Poor Boy event where no awards are given. Generally, entry fees are lower for Poor Boy events. If the club chooses to not give awards, they are strongly encouraged to note “Poor Boy” on the Event Confirmation form so it can be advertised as such.

The club may choose to pay back entry fees or some other monetary prize to their winners. In the event they wish to include an added purse in their award package, the club should include such notice in the Special Instructions section when confirming the event. Clubs are not required to give the same type of award for various events they may host on the same day.

UKC Slam events award monetary payouts based on the event fee and total entry. Clubs have two options for an entry fee ($20 or $30). Fifty-five (55) percent of the entry fee is paid out to event winners. In the past, an amount based on the total entry and fee was placed in the UKC Youth Fund as a part of the events recording fees. A revision has been made where regular recording fees now apply. Any monies that used to go to the Youth Fund are now retained by the Host Club. Payout breakdowns are included with all Slam Event packets.

Given these options, clubs certainly have the opportunity to be creative when it comes to awards and opportunities to raise more funds at their events, if interested. Most young or newer participants are tickled with any type of trophies to display at home, while the more seasoned hunter’s trophy room is already overcrowded and they would just as soon have a little cash return to put back in the gas tank. You may want to consider having the text on your trophies be universal to where they are not date-specific and can be used for any one of your events throughout the year. That way you could give your winner the option of a trophy, an entry fee refund (or some other amount of cash), gas card, free entry fee to a subsequent hunt at the club, etc. The list could go on and on.

If your club thinks they might draw a better entry if they gave out a cash award, then you have that option. If you’d rather stick with trophies, so be it. You do what best suits/fits the club and/or your participants. UKC considers clubs hosting their licensed events as the backbone of the sport. Without them there is no sport. In this day and age they need more available resources to keep their doors open. This policy change is geared towards that effort and allows them to decide what works best for them.

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New Telemetry Rules

New Telemetry Rules
Posted on 02/10/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

This column is solely dedicated to questions and answers relative to the new Telemetry Rules.

Q: When will the new telemetry rules go into effect?

A: The new telemetry rules will go into effect on January 1, 2014 for all UKC Licensed Nite Hunts.

Q: So can I carry my tracking system and leave it on while hunt time is in?

A: Yes, the handheld of most tracking systems may be powered on and used at the discretion of the user during anytime of the hunt, provided it is not a disturbance to other handlers as outlined under Rule 4 of the Telemetry Rules. The only type of tracking system that is not allowed to be carried and used during time in is one that is also capable of controlling a dog.

Q: Where can I read about this new rule?

A: Telemetry Rules are available via several different avenues.

1. Refer to the last part of this column. The rules were also published in last month’s Advisor Column (December 2013).

2. Review and/or print them off of UKC’s website (www.ukc

dogs.com) from the Coonhound News Page.

3. Request a copy via email to Allen Gingerich at agin

gerich@ukcdogs.com[/email] or [email]coonhounds@ukcdogs.com.

4. They are listed on the back side of the Master of Hounds Checklist that is included in each UKC Licensed Event packet. They should be posted at the club.

Q: If the handheld portion of the Alpha system is turned off isn’t it disabled?

A: It is UKC’s position that turned off is just that; “turned off”. It’s a momentary thing. Turn it on and you’re back in business. UKC’s definition of disabled is, the feature cannot function if or when it is turned to the “on” position. For the sake of an example let’s use my four-wheel drive truck. The accessible button in the cab allows me to turn on and engage the four-wheel drive feature. I can leave it turned off and the drive shaft is not engaged. By UKC’s definition, leaving it turned off does not constitute disabled because at any given time I can turn it on and enable or engage the feature. If I removed the driveshaft the feature would be considered disabled.

Q: If I lock my stimulation buttons does that constitute “disabled”?

A: No, it does not by UKC’s definition of disabling. See previous question and answer.

Q: The rule that applies to GPS trackers that also control, such as the Garmin Alpha, states they may be used if the controlling features are disabled which I take to mean the shocking prongs must be removed. But that still leaves the tone button feature which I assume would mean the Alpha still cannot be carried on the cast. My question is; can Garmin’s Alpha be carried during hunt time in the same manner as the Astro or not?

A: Rule 17 (controlling devices) states: {Any handheld device capable of controlling a dog (stimulating or toning), unless feature can be and is disabled while unit is in the on position, must be left in vehicle and may not be used by handler or spectators until dog wearing device is scratched and all other dogs are recovered for recasting.}

There are a couple of key phrases in that sentence, “capable of controlling” and “while unit is in the on position”. The Alpha is in fact capable of controlling a dog when turned to the on position; therefore, carrying this specific hand held unit would not satisfy Rule 17. While removing the prongs would disable one portion of the Alpha’s two separate controlling features, it would not disable the toning feature. In answer to the specific question; the current Alpha cannot be carried in the same manner as the Astro.

There have been several discussions and theories on how one can disable the controlling features on a Garmin Alpha. According to the Garmin Field Rep, most of those methods/theories are technically only one step removed from being enabled. Much like the four-wheel drive feature on your truck, it can be turned on and off as needed from the driver’s seat while the vehicle is in use. Remove the drive shaft going to the front wheels, however, and you now have a feature that is disabled and will not function.

Q: What is the current policy on handlers carrying the Alpha during the hunt?

A: The current policy is that the handheld may not be carried because of the capable controlling features. Just like any controlling only system, such as the Tri-Tronics Trash Breaker, the Alpha must be left in the vehicle. The only difference is that UKC has provided for the Alpha to be turned on and used during a time out.

Q: Has any consideration been given for the Alpha, as it currently is, to be carried during the hunt?

A: UKC would love to allow the Alpha to be carried; however, the toning feature creates our biggest concern in that a handler could, in fact, control another handler’s tone-trained dog during the hunt. While we are aware that the majority would not get involved in any such activities, it’s the ones that would use it as an advantage to benefit themselves that spoil it for everyone else. It’s easy to suggest that we deal with those who get caught in such activity. The problem is, how are you really going to prove they used it? A treed dog comes back to its handler once, twice, or three times during the hunt? The only thing you’re proving is that the dog came back. And having it happen one time to a handler that otherwise thinks their use should be allowed would very likely change their opinion on it in a minute. Regardless, the UKC is interested in continuous feedback from the hunters on this topic. The current policy on the Alpha is not one to create any hardships or unfair advantage to Garmin or any handler using this system. It is simply a policy that protects the other handlers in the manner as described. Another good reason to pay attention to the checklists read off by event officials for any changes, including should anything change where the Alpha is concerned.

Q: Why are the current Telemetry Rules not included on the scorecard?

A: The Coonhound Rulebook is updated every three years. As a result of the testing and homework done, we are fairly confident in the rules as published; however, we are interested in improving them and being able to do that should it become necessary to make adjustments. Not being bound by a rulebook allows us that avenue. Instead, we chose the route of this column, the UKC website and event officials as the source for those rules including any changes that might be necessary down the road. This is a good reason for handlers to pay attention to the Master of Hounds checklists because it is a good avenue for us to get the word out on any changes.

Q: The new telemetry rules tell us the do’s and don’ts, but what happens if a handler breaks one of these rules? Are they scratched?

A: Dogs may be scratched under the following condition. Telemetry Rule #4 gives the judge the authority to scratch a handler for not adhering to a judge’s warning when it is deemed to be interfering with another handler’s ability to listen for their dog. That rule was included mostly with regard to those using the beep, beep telemetry systems. The beeping noises could certainly become annoying and/or interfere with another handler trying to listen for their dog. Most GPS type systems have volume control or a mute feature that should allow the user to easily eliminate any system noise.

Otherwise, Rule 6(I) deals with controlling devices and gives the judge the authority to scratch a handler for using a controlling device during the hunt. Handlers must be aware that controlling a dog during a hunt, other than as outlined under Rule 17, is a barring offense and should be reported to UKC as a Misconduct.

Q: What about the handlers disabling the alerts that sounds on the handheld every time a dog stops or quits moving for a period of time when out hunting?

A: Muting those alerts would be a courteous move on the part of the handler. Otherwise, they would be annoying to other cast members.

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Posted on 03/06/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

“Yes, I See It” – “Oops, That’s Not a Coon”
Cast A: All dogs are declared treed. The cast starts shining and right away they see eyes in the tree. All cast members agreed, “Yes, we see it.” However, after they had all agreed they saw it, one member throws a bright light up there and sees it is a possum instead of what they thought were coon eyes. Since they all agreed they saw it, is it considered scored and over with regardless?

Cast B: Three-dog cast. Two dogs are left in the cast toward the end of the hunt. Both dogs fall treed but are split from each other on separate trees. The three members shine Dog A’s tree. After a little while, the judge says, “Here-ee is”. The second cast member comes over and says, “Yep, I see it.”

The third cast member comes over and throws a bright light up there and says, “That’s nothing more than a knot on the limb, it’s not a coon.” After taking another look, the second cast member agrees that it is simply a knot and not a coon. Can a cast member change his mind after initially having said he sees it?

A: Most of us who have hunted long enough have been in situations like those described where at first glance your initial thought was, “Yeah, I see it,” and verbally say so. Upon further examination, you realize it’s not what you initially thought it was after all. The basic question in either situation is; can a handler change his initial scoring vote after having verbally said something to the effect that he or she saw it?

To be fair in scoring situations properly as they should be scored, like the situations described above, UKC maintains that a tree is not considered to be officially scored until majority of the cast members are satisfied with their vote. This doesn’t mean you can vote one way at the tree and then vote another way at the clubhouse. You must obviously make your decision at the tree. If we were to allow plus points on off game or knots on tree limbs simply because of initial first reactions or petty technicalities, then something is terribly wrong.

Coons That Can’t Be Scored

A caller recently was describing a high-scoring cast in which he recently participated. He made it a point to assure me that he personally saw every coon, even though he was not the cast winner. Following that, he told me that he wasn’t sure if the way they had treed them was exactly right or not. Upon further questioning, he described one drop where the cast saw a coon cross the road and go up a tree. Allegedly, the cast, which is now down to one dog and two cast members, walked the dog up to the tree, unsnapped him, struck and treed him, and let him tree for five minutes. The reasoning this was thought acceptable was because the scorecard did not prohibit it.

Then, while working an event the next weekend, I was asked when it became permissible to score a coon in a live trap? I was thinking, you’ve got to be kidding me. Apparently this was done at a UKC licensed hunt recently. A live trap is not a place of refuge for a coon, and coon cannot be scored in live traps. This has been printed in the Advisor several times over the years. You have to delete those points. It would be convenient, though, to be able to place coons in live traps at all my hunting spots. You could rack up a really good score that way, couldn’t you?

Scorecard historians will remember when the scorecard said in Rule 1 that hounds must be free cast in search of wild game. I can’t remember when it was removed from the scorecard, or why. Maybe because it’s so darn obvious that can’t turn your dog loose at a tree that you know is harboring a raccoon.

At any rate, preceding Rule 1 is a statement that refers to the Coonhound Advisor column as official interpretation of UKC rules and policies, so let’s make this official right now. All hounds in UKC licensed events must be free cast in search of wild game. That means no enclosures, that means no turning loose as in the example above, that means you can’t score coons in live traps or in a cage behind someone’s barn, it means you can’t score dead coons, it means you can’t turn coons loose for the dogs, it means that the coon must be seen in the tree your treeing on. It’s always been permissible to turn loose on coon crossing the road so, for the time being, we’ll stick with it.

All this should go without saying, but, believe it or not, I’ve had to deal with every one of the situations mentioned above in the last couple years because someone said it wasn’t prohibited in the rules. Now it is.

Retrieving Dogs During a Time Out

Q: Timeout has been called during the hunt. Who, if anyone, may assist the handlers in retrieving their hounds?

A: The idea that only the handler of the dog may retrieve the dog without assistance from any other cast member(s) is a misconception. Helping a cast-mate retrieve their dog during a called time out is certainly encouraged when needed and is simply a form of good sportsmanship.

The one thing to keep in mind is that a handler in the cast assisting another cast member in the retrieval of his dog, even though his dog may already be in the box ready to continue, would also fall victim to Rule 6(f) should the hour expire before returning to the designated spot. A lot could be discussed on this topic, but it’s one that simply requires common sense and one where sportsmanship will go a long way.

Authority of a Scorekeeper

Q: This next question comes from the state of Texas, where a Master of Hounds is concerned about the authority of a scorekeeper or the misconceptions thereof. How about a little clarification in this regard?

A: Rule 11(a) references the non-hunting scorekeeper. It states that {Scorecards to be carried by judge (or non-hunting scorekeeper if all cast members agree) and must be scored in plain view of all.} First, it must be agreed upon by all cast members to allow an individual, usually a spectator or non-hunting guide, to write down the scores as they are called. A scorekeeper does make it easier for some judges in allowing them to concentrate more on what’s going on with the dogs in the woods and not be caught filling in strike and tree calls when there’s something going on that might require the judge’s full attention.

A non-hunting scorekeeper has no more authority in the cast than any other spectator on the cast. A scorekeeper may not help shine trees nor do they have a vote in voting situations. They have no say so as to how anything should be scored. If the scorekeeper has any questions such as close strike or tree calls, they would refer to the judge of the cast to make that decision. The scorekeeper simply writes down scores as they are given them; nothing more and nothing less.

Water/Place of Refuge

Q: The dogs in a cast run a good track and start treeing or baying, and eventually they are all declared treed. We walk in and find the dogs are on the edge of a river baying from the bank. No tree or hole there, they’re just looking out across the river baying. The river is a good 100 to 200 yards across. It is deep, wide and roaring with spring rains. Can this be considered a place of refuge since it seems impossible for a dog to even try to swim across under these conditions?

A: Anytime dogs tree other than on a tree, and in doing so are holding the game, it is considered a place of refuge; unless of course, they have the game caught on the ground. Understandably, it seems next to impossible for any dog to swim across the river as described, but a body of water, whether it be a lake a mile wide or a river that has a current too strong to cross, will not hold the coon; therefore, may not be considered a place of refuge. UKC maintains any bodies of water are considered part of the terrain regardless of width, current or otherwise. In your situation, the rules allow no other option other than minus the dogs. Sounds like the coon won this one!

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Slam Payout with No Cast Winners
Posted on 04/09/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

Slam Payout with No Cast Winners
Q: The club had a UKC Slam Event where no casts came in with plus points. How is the prize money distributed?

A: UKC Slam Events pay out 55 percent of the entry fees to its winners. First, each cast winner who had a total score of plus points receives its entry fee back. The remaining prize monies are paid out to the four highest-scoring cast winners who, with a majority vote, may opt to split it equally. Or they may hunt it off in a one-hour hunt where the winner will take 40 percent, second 30 percent, third 20 percent and fourth 10 percent. If there are less than four dogs who had a total score of plus points a breakdown form found in the Hunt Packet breaks down any such scenarios.

It is never an option for the club to retain any portion of the prize money, even when they had no cast winners with plus points. When the club has no plus point cast winners, they should simply pay out that 55 percent equally to the owner of each dog that was entered in the event.

Example: Using the scenario of 16 dogs entered, at $30 per entry fee, results in a payout of $264. That amount is divided by 16, resulting in a payout of $16.50 to the owner of each dog that was entered. Ironically, the payout to each dog would always result in $16.50 each regardless of the amount of dogs entered. In a $20 entry fee event it would be slightly less obviously or, in either case, just better than half or 55% of the fee they paid to enter.

Entering a Dog on Puppy Papers as Conditional

Q: Is it acceptable to enter a dog not yet permanently registered (puppy papers only) as a Conditional Entry?

A: A dog must be permanently registered before it may be entered in any UKC Licensed Event. Entry takers may never know that a dog being entered as Conditional is or isn’t permanently registered. That’s okay. They don’t need to know. That responsibility lies with the individual entering the dog. A dog entered as Conditional, but not yet permanently registered on the day of the event, is considered an ineligible entry. Any placements it may have earned at the event are not awarded.

Puppy papers are merely an application for the owner to permanently register the dog. If you’ve ever noticed, at the very top of your puppy papers it states: Application for Permanent Registration. When a Litter Owner registers a litter of pups, he/she receives the exact amount of papers for each male and female in the litter. Although each puppy paper application has a UKC number on it, the owner randomly assigns one of those papers to each pup. The owner of that pup then marks the correct coloring, gives the pup a name, etc., and sends it in to be permanently registered. At that time the dog has an identity and record at UKC and may participate in UKC Licensed Events (must be six months of age to participate in Bench Shows). Otherwise, UKC would not have verification of which dog in the litter is being entered if dog’s not permanently registered (puppy papers) were allowed to enter in Licensed Events.

Dogs Purchased From Barred Individuals

Q: May a new owner who purchased a dog from a barred or suspended individual enter that dog in UKC Licensed Event prior to the dog being transferred into the new owner’s name?

A: One of the basic rules for barred or suspended individuals is that dogs registered to them may not be entered in any UKC Licensed Events. Until/unless such a dog is registered to another individual, it may not be entered in any event. That means the dog must be transferred to the new owner before it is registered to anyone else other than the barred individual. They are considered ineligible entries in any UKC event until registered to an individual who is not barred.

Time Frame Allotted for Handler to Sign Scorecard at Clubhouse

Q: Rule 13 now allows a handler who failed to sign the scorecard in the woods to sign it at the clubhouse in view of the Master of Hounds or Hunt Director. The question is, what time frame is allowed in which the handler may sign at the clubhouse?

A: Great question. A handler shall be given the opportunity to sign the scorecard until; whichever of the following two items comes first:

1. The deadline to return all scorecards.

2. Immediately following the return of all scorecards.

This is a very simple and hunter-friendly time frame that makes good sense. Strict entry and scorecard return deadlines were put in place to allow officials to proceed forward at a certain time. This policy subscribes to that same theory. It makes sense to give the handler the opportunity until the point when the official is ready to move forward with filling out the event result paperwork. It makes no good sense to have a 3 a.m. deadline and give the handler until then when all the scorecards had been returned by 2 a.m.

So at the time of whichever of the two items comes first, any handlers who have not yet signed their scorecard will result in their dog being scratched at that time. Finally, officials should not be subjected to the responsibility of contacting any such handler that may have left the club grounds for whatever reason.

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The Eight Minute Clock and Telemetry
Posted on 05/08/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

Q: In a four-dog cast, three dogs got treed approximately 900 yards ahead of the cast, while Dog D continued trailing a separate track off to their right. After scoring the tree, we could not hear Dog D so the cast walked back to the spot where we last heard Dog D. At that spot is where the judge started the eight-minute clock on the dog. After listening for a little bit and still not hearing the dog, the handler of Dog D looked at his telemetry and told the cast they needed to walk in the direction towards him. So the cast followed him, with three hounds leash locked, for nearly seven minutes to the top of a hill where we could hear the dog that was now treed. The handler treed Dog D. The questions are: 1) should the handler have been allowed to use his telemetry to see where his dog was in that situation; and 2) then make the cast walk towards the dog when the eight minute clock was running?
A: Let’s throw out the Garmin use part for a minute. In the past it was protocol to go back to the last spot you heard Dog D before starting the eight-minute clock. Although you won’t find any such rule in the rulebook, UKC has always supported this courtesy. Common sense suggests it is the fairest and right thing to do when you may have walked out of hearing of that trailing dog due to the scoring of a tree. However, if after scoring the tree the dog out on trail remains within hearing distance from the tree just scored, the eight-minute clock should be started from there.

UKC has always allowed handlers the opportunity to use their eight minutes, within reason, when their dog may have trailed out of hearing in such a scenario. Sometimes that meant walking in the direction he assumes his hound may be in or walking to a better vantage point to listen for the dog.

Enter the use of telemetry. The handler is well within his rights to check his telemetry on Dog D after scoring the tree. He may see that the dog is within hearing range from the scored tree. If so, the eight-minute clock should start from there. If not then the cast should go the last spot they heard the dog before the time is started.

Yes, this scenario is one where the use of telemetry could be an advantage for the handler. In the same token, it could also very well be an advantage to the rest of the cast. By my calculations, the cast walking 900 yards to score a tree in the scenario given is over a half mile. Dog D could be anywhere by the time the tree was scored. The purpose of a nite hunt is to score dogs accordingly. Sticking our heads in the sand while the clock is running and refusing to make an attempt to score Dog D contradicts the purpose of nite hunts. Using common sense on when and where to start the clock, and all handlers being reasonable based on the situation at hand, will go a long way.

Looking at Handheld when Declaring Dog Treed

Q: May a handler be looking at the handheld of his Garmin when calling his dog treed?

A: This is the most frequently asked question regarding telemetry use that is called in to the UKC office. My response is always: Yes they may look at their telemetry anytime during the hunt, followed by this question, “Was the dog ‘treeing’ when that handler declared it treed?” To date we have not yet had one caller that suggested the dog was not treeing when they called it treed in such a manner. Only in the case where the dog is not actually treeing is when we would have an issue. And it would be an issue that we can easily resolve.

Here are three things to keep in mind:

• The judge shall make his decisions based on what he sees and hears and what is based on sound judgment.

• A dog must be heard “opening” before a strike call may be accepted.

• A dog must be heard “treeing” before a tree call may be accepted.

Even though the handler may have been looking at his handheld at the time he declared his dog treed, all that is required from the judge is to acknowledge that the dog is in fact treeing. If so, the judge awards the available position. If the dog is not treeing, the judge should not accept the call. Is this an advantage to a handler? Depends on who you ask and their knowledge of the systems being used. Regardless, nothing has changed when it comes to scoring dogs on trailing and treeing raccoons.

Telemetry Rule Clarifications

Rule 1. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL TELEMETRY BE USED TO DETERMINE THE SCORING OF ANY DOG(S).

Clarification: “Scoring” is interpreted as using telemetry to determine: a) whether or not dogs moved from where they were called treed at; b) dog declared struck is really the one that opened; c) the dog that left tree was with A and B or on a separate tree; d) stationary rule, etc. etc. type situations. Basically, if you are awarding plus or minus to a dog based on telemetry, then you would be using telemetry to determine scoring. Seeing/knowing where a dog is while the eight-minute clock is running, is not considered “scoring” a dog.

Rule 3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.

Clarification: Dogs not heard opening are those that have not been declared struck. A dog that has the eight minute clock working on them is a dog that has been heard opening. A cast may not agree to walk towards the out of pocket dog(s) that has/have not been declared struck if in doing so they would be walking out of hearing of the dog(s) that is/are declared struck.

Rule 4. When considering the use of telemetry during the hunt the handler may not interfere with any handler’s ability to listen for their dog. This to be rigidly enforced. Handlers not adhering after having been warned of such by the judge; shall result in their dog being scratched from the cast.

Clarification: This rule was implemented to keep handlers from interfering with other handlers in the cast who are trying to listen to their dogs. The simplest solution would be for the handler to turn the volume off on their handheld. Another use could be where handler chat of “my dog is so and so” that interferes with another handlers ability to listen for their dog. A judge does not have the authority to tell a handler they may not use their telemetry. They may only warn them for interfering and if they do not turn it off or quit chatter immediately “while others are trying to listen”, their dog is to be scratched. It does not mean that for the rest of the night the warned handler’s handheld must be turned off or they cannot say another word about the whereabouts of their hound at a different time during the course of the hunt. Scratching a dog for interfering with other handlers only applies when they are trying to listen for the purpose of declaring dogs struck or treed or the judge is in the process of “judging” a dog in the cast.

Bells Permissible

Q: Is it permissible to use bells on coonhounds during the course of a nite hunt?

A: Yes, they may be used on coonhounds during a hunt. Any previous restrictions against the use of bells were removed when the use of telemetry during the hunt was implemented.

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Refresher Course Topics
Posted on 06/04/2014 in_The Coonhound Advisor

This month’s column features a couple refresher course topics. Part of the reasoning for them is to also hopefully allow for a better understanding of the answers to one or more of other included topics.

Not Accepting a Call - Refresher Course

Q: Do judges have the authority to not accept a strike or tree call by a handler?

A: Yes they do have the authority to not accept a call. Whenever a handler strikes his dog, be it a strike or a tree call, and the dog is not heard opening or treeing, then the call shall not be accepted. There is no penalty applied. Remember, telemetry may not be used to make any such determination.

When Coon May Be Scored - Refresher Course

Q: What are the two things that must happen before a coon in a tree may be scored?

A: 1) All dogs treeing must be handled; and 2) the shining time must be started. A coon may only be scored if seen by the majority of the cast during the allotted ten minutes of shining time. This prohibits the tree from being searched or shined on the way in, etc. If less than a majority of the cast see the coon before time expires, then points may not be plussed regardless of the majority seeing the coon after shine time expires.

Minus Tree Points - Refresher Course

Q: What specific situations result in a dog’s tree points being minused, that do not involve the scoring of a tree (after shining the tree)?

A: There are several as follows.

• If a dog that is declared treed leaves the tree or whatever it was treed on or in, regardless of any reason. The rules do not support any exceptions. This would also include what is referred to as milling.

• If the two minute clock gets a dog per Rule 4(h) {at least one of the dogs declared treed must bark at least once every two minutes until cast arrives}.

• A dog that leaves tree and goes back on trail.

• Dogs declared treed after the tree is closed result in the call being accepted as a split tree. If that dog is with the other dogs on the closed tree its tree points are minused (for leaving) regardless of whether or not it was ever on a separate tree. If the dog is on the closed tree it now is a dog treeing but not declared treed on this tree. The final scoring of this dog is subject to how this closed tree is scored.

• If a handler trees the wrong dog the available position is awarded and minused. This rule applies to striking or treeing the wrong dog and results in the dog being scratched on second offense.

There is a situation where tree points are frequently minused incorrectly. That is when a handler declares a dog treed that is not or cannot be heard treeing. They incorrectly accept the call and start the two-minute clock on the dog. The two-minute clock only applies to dogs that are declared treed and were considered to have in fact been, at some point, in the act of treeing. The correct procedure is for the judge to not accept a tree call if the dog is not treeing or cannot be heard treeing. The same applies to strike positions. You shouldn’t take the strike call and start the eight-minute clock.

Dogs Declared Treed That End Up Catching Coon

Q: All four dogs in a cast are declared treed. The dogs were all on a hollow tree that had a hole in the bottom of it. While the cast is looking on, but before the dogs could be handled, one of the dogs sticks his head inside the hole and pulls out a coon. How is this tree scored?

A: It has always been UKC’s position that anytime dogs make contact with the coon, whether they pull it out of a hole at the bottom of a tree, a log on the ground, a hole in the ground, or any place of refuge, you score it as coon caught. In accordance with Rule 3(c), you plus the dogs strike points only. Even though you won’t find a rule in the deleted section to cover such unique situations, it’s also UKC’s position that any tree points originally awarded are deleted. Circling the tree points is not an option because it’s not a tree, hole or place of refuge situation anymore. Minusing their tree points is not an option because the dogs technically did not leave their tree.

Cast Sees Coon Bail Out of Tree

Q: All four dogs in a cast are declared treed. When the cast arrives, but before any dogs can be handled, the coon bails out of the small tree the dogs were treed on and takes off down through the woods. The dogs all take off after it but no dog makes contact with it before it climbs up a different tree. The dogs all tree where it was seen climbing. How is this situation handled?

A: We have to recognize that this situation is different from the one previous (Dogs Declared Treed That End Up Catching Coon). Here the dogs all left the tree and went after the coon after it bailed out. You certainly can’t fault the dogs for that. The rules don’t allow for anything other than to minus their tree points for leaving tree. Yes, it is considered a bad break. However, before we decide there needs to be exceptions for certain unique situations, we should consider all the other situations we could open ourselves up to if we had such a rule.

To answer the question on how to handle the situation, you have no alternatives other than to minus each dog’s tree points for leaving tree. All four tree positions are open again. The handlers should call their dogs in the order they tree on the next tree where the coon went up. Then score that tree accordingly. Remember, just because you may have seen the coon climbing that second tree you must still handle dogs, start your shining time and the majority see the coon in that allotted shining time.

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UKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S MADDY GEES OL' BLU

UKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S MADDY GEES SUE

UKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S MADDY GEES PEARL

UKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S WHITE MT DEW

UKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S MADDY G'S FLOSIE

UKC NITECH AKC 'PR' HARD WOOD PEPPER

UKC ' PR ' PLAIN ENGLISH'S LIGHTFOOT MAGGIE

UKC ' PR ' PLAIN ENGLISH'S WOODSTOCK BANJO


Our Co-Owned Hounds

UKC 'PR' Given's Plain English Lil' Blue w/Chad Given

UKC ' PR ' Foster's Plain English Chez w/ Brandon Foster


AND REMEMBER "KEEP'EM ENGLISH"

*Proud Member of UEB&FA, SEA, BRAXTON CO.CHA, Mud River Coon Club Inc. Pocahontas Nicholas CHA*
Junior Cartwright (304) 575-4495 cell (681) 213-1260 home

We Use And Recommend BLAZER & TRI-TRONICS NIGHT RAZOR LIGHTS, TRI-TRONICS, OLT SQUALLERS, INNOTEK & GARMIN 320 TRACKING SYSTEMS & PURINA DOG FEED, MUCK BOOTS DAN CHAPS


OUR RED FERN GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN CHAMPIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS...

R.I.P. UKC NITECH PKC 'PR' PLAIN ENGLISH'S HARDTIME HANK 5/10/04 - 6/23/14

R.I.P. UKC GRCH NITECH & AKC CGCH RANSOM'S BAM 7/23/05 - 01/06/14

R.I.P.2011-2013 PERFORMANCE SIRE
UKC NITECH GRCH PKC,AKC 'PR' MADDY GEES ROOFUS W/1-win towards GRAND!!! 8/21/2006-12/31/2012

R.I.P. UKC NKC AKC (TRIPLE) NITE CH CH 'PR' HAFA ADAI GIN "GINGER"

R.I.P. UKC CH 'PR' HALL'S BIG WHEEL

R.I.P. UKC NITE CH 'PR' DARK MTN CRANKIN' ROCK

R.I.P. CH 'PR' DARK HOLLOW TREE SLAMIN' BETTY

R.I.P. UKC GRCH PKC,AKC 'PR' WELL KEPT SECRET

UKC CH 'PR' MAGNIFICENT MAGGIE

R.I.P UKC GRNITECH 'PR' BROWNS GAULEY RIVER DAN

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