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4 dog cast, Dogs A,B, and C are declared treed togeather and D is trailing.
The tree closes and the cast procedes toward the tree, about 50 yards from the dead tree Dog D comes treed 100 yards deeper and the handler trees his dog and it goes on the card for 125.
Cast arrives at the first tree and dod B has left and is now treeing With dog D.
The judge ended up minusing dog D for being on a dead tree and moved B up to 125.

Poor judgeing or did Ds handler screw up treeing his dog before makeing sure A,B, and C were all handled on the dead tree?

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Judge should have been able to tell A, B, C were closer, unless cast was along way from tree, when D was treed. If he was sure first 3 dogs were together, B should have minused on tree as soon as he moved. Take care, Ron.

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Judge deserves the biggest balls award. Hand him his prize, then shoot him.

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Now decide on this version of the situation. Dogs ABC are treed and five is up. Cast proceeds to tree and dog a is treeing by himself and 40 yards directly behind first tree two dogs are treeing. Handler d trees his dog. Cast proceeds to handle dog b and dog d is on same tree. Judges dog c is off tree trailing and is minused. Three cast members agree that there is no way to determine if there was a split tree originally and no evidence of any dogs moving. How else could you possibly judge this? You have to minus dog d for 125 because he was treed after five was up and handled on tree with other dog declared treed. John I know that you are a very respectable judge and know the rules well. I realize you heard a different version the situation at hand but I am confident you would have judged the same if you were there.

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dogs a and b were treed fractions of a second apart and together obviously. dog c treed late in the five minutes, dog c left tree and b followig . dog d trees 80 yards north of dog a, gets put on card after 1 st tree is closed. dog d is only dog barking and handled then minused. dog b was there but milling and barely able to show us which tree he wanted to be on . I agree with BIG BALLS AWARD

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I was shocked when handler d treed his dog. He is a seasoned handler but at the moment he treed his dog there were clearly two dogs treeing that looking back I don't think handler d realized or he wouldn't have made the bad call. Given the layout of the two trees and the distance we were from tree when original call was made there is no way to determine if there was a split tree till we arrived. As for dog b. He was in no way milling around. He was stationary barking at tree on ground about three feet from tree. The same way dog b treed the rest of the night. It was a bad break for everyone except dog a because he had the coon!

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There are a lot of questions left unanswered. If dog D was treed "50 yds from the dead tree" why did the judge not minus B? Did dog D's handler ask the judge if Dog D was split before he treed him. I always do so there is no arguement later. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to getting minused. Isn't it funny how 4 people in the same cast have 4 different versions of what happened. And then a fifth person who wasn't even there has a question as to how to score it?

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Richard actually 3 cast members completely agree that dog b must have been split. I agree handler d should have clarified dog b being split before he treed his dog where dog b was barking. Again handler made a bad call in the heat of the moment. As for the fifth guy john he is just trying to sort out what was told to him. I would of course agree judging error how john presented the question. However john had not heard the question from the rest of the casts point of view.

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Another question is weather dog B should have moved up to 125?
Useing UKCs root tree system, and since there is no way of knowing which tree dog C left shouldnt B have been left on the card in the original position?

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quote:

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Originally posted by makinaw_cooner
.....Again handler made a bad call in the heat of the moment.

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Haven't we all....Some moments get pretty "heated".

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Good point. Dog c was treed third just as tree closed so dog b wasn't moved up over another dog.

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don't know all the facts but do know would of been one of the biggest ? marks on that score card you ever seen

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Another question is weather dog B should have moved up to 125?
Useing UKCs root tree system, and since there is no way of knowing which tree dog C left shouldnt B have been left on the card in the original position?

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if dog d was minused for leaving the first tree and declared re treed and don't move again he should hold his 1st tree with 125 and b should tree with 2nd at 75 , if iam reading the situation right . as long as dog d was treeing and held tree for the 5 there is no way dog b moves over dog d period on the second tree .

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