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how does this work? if u strike befor the min do they still but the 8 on them or what ? like to know all the ins and outs of this rule . I know akc rule is different strike befor the min and u have to tree befor that min . I am told ukc is different any info please

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Basically the minute rule is a grace period where handlers do not have to strike their dogs. This keeps people from having to strike their dog on just a few excited barks when you cut them off the chain.

You can still strike (or tree for that matter) your dog in the minute. There is no rule where if you strike in the minute then the dog has to open up again within so much time or be treed within so many minutes. The 8-minute rule can be applied to any dog no matter when it was declared struck.

Many hunters assume that you can only get minused for striking your dog on a babble if you strike them in the minute. This is not true. If you read Rule 4(g) babbling is defined as "when a dog opens three time or has been struck where no track is evident." The rule makes no mention of the minute grace period.

Hope this clears this rule up for you a little.

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i know a lot of people who always get this wrong and no one will strike in the minute but if my dog opens i will strike it thats just how she is when she barks she smells something.......can't wait till i pull this out at the next hunt gonna blow some peoples minds LOL

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In my first one i went to I struck under the minute and was looked as rather crazy. Plain and simple if my dog barks he will tree that coon. Which he did in another 3 minutes of running and had coon. Everyone should know your dog.

Thanks for explanation Paul.


Thanks Jeff A.

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Too many people try to use the other KCs 1 min. rule in UKC. I was in the AR State hunt we had 2 dogs that barked when we turned them lose they would not strike them and when my Gyp opened up I struck her in for 100 and the judge said my dog was struck in for 100 under the first minute. we had dogs that babbled and the handlers knew it or they would have struck there dogs in. when my opens her mouth she is smelling coon. I don't know why the judge said under the first minute.unless it is another KCs rule.

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How is PKC's one minute rule different from UKC's one minute rule?

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Basically the minute rule is a grace period where handlers do not have to strike their dogs. This keeps people from having to strike their dog on just a few excited barks when you cut them off the chain.

You can still strike (or tree for that matter) your dog in the minute. There is no rule where if you strike in the minute then the dog has to open up again within so much time or be treed within so many minutes. The 8-minute rule can be applied to any dog no matter when it was declared struck.

Many hunters assume that you can only get minused for striking your dog on a babble if you strike them in the minute. This is not true. If you read Rule 4(g) babbling is defined as "when a dog opens three time or has been struck where no track is evident." The rule makes no mention of the minute grace period.

Hope this clears this rule up for you a little.

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Paul, its rule 4(h) Dog(s) declared struck and determined to be babbling will be minused their strike points. Babbling is
defined as when a dog opens three times or has been struck where no track is evident.

If a dog opens in the 1st minute and is struck and then doesn't bark again for 3 or 4 minutes I would consider that babbling (no track evident) and minuse the dog.

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How many times has anyone seen a dog minused for babbling 5 minutes after they were cut loose?

I'll bet nobody, not once.

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How many times has anyone seen a dog minused for babbling 5 minutes after they were cut loose?

I'll bet nobody, not once.

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How is PKC's one minute rule different from UKC's one minute rule?

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another rule for you to clear up,please.
I brought it up earlier,but would like your take.

Whats the call on a dog coming into a closed tree.3 dogs treed, 1 still on track.
squalling starts at 8min. dog comes in,handled,then coon seen.

does that dog gets minused just its strike and nothing to tree points{because it was never treed}?

so......
closed tree.coon seen?
closed tree no coon seen;circle{leaves,den}?
closed tree no coon seen {slick}?

been in a few hunts most judges scored differently!!

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If a dog opens in the 1st minute and is struck and then doesn't bark again for 3 or 4 minutes I would consider that babbling (no track evident) and minuse the dog.

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You can't wait 3 or 4 minutes to minus a dog for babbling.
It was in the advisor book , and also here online.
As soon as the dog is struck , the judge must decide , as soon as possible , whether he feels the dog is babbling or not.
I'd say within 30 seconds or so a judge would be able to make this decision.

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You can't wait 3 or 4 minutes to minus a dog for babbling.
It was in the advisor book , and also here online.
As soon as the dog is struck , the judge must decide , as soon as possible , whether he feels the dog is babbling or not.
I'd say within 30 seconds or so a judge would be able to make this decision.

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Originally posted by tim griffin
pkc if you strike under the minute they have to carry the track out can't shut up and open 300 yards deeper

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I like AKCs minute rule. If you strike inside the minute the call must immediatly followed by a tree call. If dogs are opening when the minute expires, those strike points are split
It works nice and is a little tougher on the babblers.

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Originally posted by tim griffin
pkc if you strike under the minute they have to carry the track out can't shut up and open 300 yards deeper

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If a dog opens in the 1st minute and is struck and then doesn't bark again for 3 or 4 minutes I would consider that babbling (no track evident) and minuse the dog.

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The only requirement for minusing a dog for babbling is that the judge must believe the dog was struck where there is no track. All these other so called requirements are in no way ever mentioned in the rule book. The only thing that matters is what the judge believes. Was the dog struck where there is a track or wasn't it? That is all the judge needs to answer. The clock has nothing to do with making this call.

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Never had that one applied, must be a regional rule.

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Originally posted by tim griffin
u get me or hensely or tyree or others at world hunt ss or nationals and you strike under the minute and don't carry out track you will get minused

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another rule for you to clear up,please.
I brought it up earlier,but would like your take.

Whats the call on a dog coming into a closed tree.3 dogs treed, 1 still on track.
squalling starts at 8min. dog comes in,handled,then coon seen.

does that dog gets minused just its strike and nothing to tree points{because it was never treed}?

so......
closed tree.coon seen?
closed tree no coon seen;circle{leaves,den}?
closed tree no coon seen {slick}?

been in a few hunts most judges scored differently!!

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Originally posted by Billy Beckham
His far? Because we will step it off to see how far he went.

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