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4 dog cast, dogs a,b,c are treed and dog d was not treed or declared treed. All trees are closed and dogs are handled. Then dog d comes in after all dogs were handled and trees closed. Tree was scored no coon seen.

Should dog d take any munus with no coon seen?

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Minus only if coon was seen.

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That's what I said and the judge says no he gets next available and minused. He lost the cast over this mis-scoring and this isn't the first time I have been done like this at this same club. You would think they would have non-hunting judges that atleast know the rules!

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Question it and take it to MOH

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50 in gas already since gas is over 4.00 a gal here in the midwest, entry fee, plus more gas back to the club house and 20.00 to question it, a poorboy hunt just went from 50 or 60 bucks to well over a 100. No thanks they just need some judges that know the rules.

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It's free to take it to the MoH of I'm not mistaking, the $20 is just if you are I satisfied with the MoHs decision an want to appeal with UKC plus if you win you get it back

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They had a hunt director, no master of hounds. But I will read up on it and find out forsure.

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The rule is printed on the back of the card. Judge just has to be able to read. 5B

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He gets next available position on tree if its closed and dog D is there when they show up. Was it slicked?

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Circle strike points.

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Then what did the judge think he was minus for? That has to be the most missed rule in ukc hands down.

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Delete strike. i would say.
no use to take to MO they most likely go with judge.
we have lots of problems with the buddy buddy system. heard one say the other night at hunt. no need to bring a question back that was voted on. he would go with judge no matter what.

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4 dog cast, dogs a,b,c are treed and dog d was not treed or declared treed. All trees are closed and dogs are handled. Then dog d comes in after all dogs were handled and trees closed. Tree was scored no coon seen.

Should dog d take any munus with no coon seen?

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Then what did the judge think he was minus for? That has to be the most missed rule in ukc hands down.

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As I said he wasn't sure what he was doing and when I said the hound has to be there when you (the judge) arrives to be minused, he says no he just has to come into the tree. They were all on this hillside working tracks but I never treed my dog because he never treed. He did not come in till tree was closed, with all dogs handled and judge says handle your dog when he did come in and then says he is minused. Not sure what the judge thought he should be minused for because he couldn't tell me.

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Rule 5 CIRCLE POINTS: (b) No dog to receive minus points for coming into tree after judge arrives unless a coon is seen and the dogs treeing are awarded plus points.
In the case you presented the dog should of had his strike points circled. No tree points should have even been recorded.

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if no coon seen then no minus points should be rewarded and strike points should be deleted

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if no coon seen then no minus points should be rewarded and strike points should be deleted

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Jim,doesn't rule 5g say to delete strike when dog comes in to a tree that he's shut out on?I had this happen on a cast this weekend and that's the rule I found.Also I thought I had read in the advisor years ago that a good rule of thumb was that strike points should never be circled unless they were connected to tree points except in the case of being in a hole or place of refuge other than a tree.I may be wrong about that part ,but it sure seems like I did.

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Originally posted by grntinokla
Jim,doesn't rule 5g say to delete strike when dog comes in to a tree that he's shut out on?I had this happen on a cast this weekend and that's the rule I found.Also I thought I had read in the advisor years ago that a good rule of thumb was that strike points should never be circled unless they were connected to tree points except in the case of being in a hole or place of refuge other than a tree.I may be wrong about that part ,but it sure seems like I did.

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Jim,doesn't rule 5g say to delete strike when dog comes in to a tree that he's shut out on?

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OK,thanks.As I said,I thought I had read that years ago and thought that was the reason given at that time,because a dog that didn't finish a track shouldn't be able to use those points to win a cast.Shows why you should ask.Runnin rebels,I took his post to mean he was struck,and then shut out on tree.My bad.lol

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