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Let me start by saying that I've never had a dog scratched for fighting nor do I hunt dogs that are mean. Having said that I have seen and heard of a lot of dogs being scratched for fighting lately. Is this rule bein abused or are there that many mean dogs out there now? You can't help but wonder if people are using this rule to knock a good dog out. I'm not making excuses if a dogs mean, he's mean. I voted against scratchin two dogs in a cast one night and I didn't even know the people. All that happened is one dog was Jackin the tree and the other face barked him back for it. That's not Fighting. Anybody else notice this?

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The rule doesn't say they have to fight. They do however have to show aggression and interfere with the other dog. If the dog is face barking and it is interfering with another dog then it can be scratched. Not a good reason to thin down the competition. I don't like a tree jacker or a face barker but if it doesn't cause a problem then oh well you can't scratch.

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The reason most dogs are scratched is because the other cast members don't have the dog power to beat them fair not because they are mean big difference. In a mean dog. And a power house tree dog.

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The reason most dogs are scratched is because the other cast members don't have the dog power to beat them fair not because they are mean big difference. In a mean dog. And a power house tree dog.

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I judged a cast lastnight and scratched two hounds for fighting. As we got to the tree I seen the two hounds up on the tree, side by side and everything looked good and than all hell broke lose and they were rolling on the ground at it pretty hard. The two young men did not like the call and wanted it questioned so we took it back to the MOH and he agreed that rule 6(b) applied. One of the guys was winning the cast, but rules are rules and his dog was fighting.

I think it is a good rule, we don't need mean dogs ripping up our hounds!

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A Mean Dog Should Be Done Away with But Using The Rules In The Wrong Way To Scratch a dog because Its Better Than Your Dog Is Bull Crap I Dont Like A Dog That Face Barks But Come On Thats Not A Reason To Scratch A dog

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I agree. If a dog is mean its mean. And I agree with the rule but I still feel like its been abused some.

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I had one scratched at an RQE for face barking. To be fair, he was face barking and we had a bunch of something happen before that. It was the 1st turnout and the track lasted all of 75 yards. The judge did what he felt he needed to do and told me how o get back to the clubhouse. What he didn't count on was me hanging around to watch the rest of the cast. I knew that not enough dogs were scratched. Later that night, 2 of the remaining hounds rolled...not growled or face barked..they ROLLED. And basically got away with it. We knew exactly what dogs it was but did not see them.
Long story short..I kinda owe the guy that won the cast an apology..I thought his was bad until I went on another cast with the female that he fought.

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????, NtCh cast only 2 dogs left, dog A trees dog B covers before the 5 is up, fight breaks out you plainly hear it, cast runs to the tree both dogs are cut an bleeding but on the tree when cast gets there, you didn't see it, do you scratch???

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No Dogs Are Canines Some Times Things Happen No Big deal

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Originally posted by VA BLUEDOGS
I agree. If a dog is mean its mean. And I agree with the rule but I still feel like its been abused some.

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Yes Some Thing Can Be Done Step Up Tell People On The Cast You Ant Putting Up With It When I Am The Judge Or Hunt Director No One Is Getting Scratch For Some Bull Crap Reason People Need Get A Better Dog Dont Be A Cheap Crook And Say Scratch Scratch Thats A Cry Baby Makes Me mad

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????, NtCh cast only 2 dogs left, dog A trees dog B covers before the 5 is up, fight breaks out you plainly hear it, cast runs to the tree both dogs are cut an bleeding but on the tree when cast gets there, you didn't see it, do you scratch???

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So If My Sacket Jr Dog Want Leave A Tree When A Mean Dog Trys To Push Him Off Does That Make Him Mean No It dont I Train Pups With Him Time For Some Major Rule Changes

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Seems simple enough till the judge refused to scratch, one of the other handler's stayed with the cast an it was a 2 to 1 vote an master of hounds went with his judge, now dog in question hadn't been in a hunt till his two scratches came off, sometimes it is what it is.

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Seems simple enough till the judge refused to scratch, one of the other handler's stayed with the cast an it was a 2 to 1 vote an master of hounds went with his judge, now dog in question hadn't been in a hunt till his two scratches came off, sometimes it is what it is.

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To answer your question Tim (I think you already know the answer), yes the dogs can be scratched. If you have three or four dogs on a tree and a fight breaks out but you still hear dog(s) treeing and know which one(s) are still treeing the judge can scratch the others for fighting.

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Originally posted by joey
No sir if there is more than 2 dogs at the tree you can not scratch them for hearing a fight. If you only have 2 dogs in the cast you can or if the other 2 are running or treeing some place else you can. Not if they are all on the tree.

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If I am not mistaken the Advisor stated that if the judge can identify which dogs are fighting, by knowing which dogs are still treeing, the judge can scratch the dogs. That is the way I understood it. Just like running off game. The judge does not have to see the off game to scratch a dog for it.

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