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Feeding beef /tripe

How many people are feeding raw beef and or green tripe? We have always fed a minimum of 50% meat to meal (kibble). Believe it or not when you add up the price per pound of a quality meal vs meat.....meat IS cheaper. Greyhounds have forever been fed meat. For lean muscle mass and performance. Is anyone feeding meat? All of our dogs including the Walkers get raw beef, raw green tripe and Pride. We mix 60% meat to 40% meal and mix with warm water. Blue Ridge Beef is readily available on the east coast and at the farm store in Charleston, WV and many other places....is anyone feeding it? It is so much cheaper than good meal and no worries about feed recalls. Just curious.

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Green tripe is one of, if not the best, well rounded single ingredients that you can feed a performance dog. Add good red meat with with it and you'll be hard pressed to ever find a dry kibble of any kind that compares in terms of quality.

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Your in Iowa you can get some of that good ol Wisconsin Select beef from Mark Junk! I agree....tripe has all those good enzymes etc. To me going natural is better than processed!

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Green tripe provides one of the most natural sources of carbohydrates that a canine can use. Many dry kibble blends have carbs, but not in usable form. The enzymes are a bonus. I did a lot of playing around with conditioning of dogs using many mechanical methods in as controlled of an environment as I could make it. Using a red meat/protein/tripe mix of my own proportioning enabled me to condition dogs to as near 100% as I believe a man can do. I would say, modestly, 85-90% is where I could take them on a natural feed. Using the best of dry kibble, 70-75% was about the best that I could do. They'd run hot and take much longer to cool down on kibble than the meat/tripe blend. I laugh at the folks who promote the cheap feeds and claim it does oh so well for them. If they only knew. Hunting hounds is the perfect work/rest ratio for dogs. When you add the high octane feed, you can go for hours on a dog at a very high level where the dry kibble folks peter out.

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When I started coonhunting, ummm 35yrs or so ago, one of the old men who took me under there wing and taught me what it was to be a houndsmen made his own dogfood.

not some of it, but every bite the pack ate. my grandmother and her parents made it years before that......in fact they sold it from there house in appleton city mo.


corn meal and horse meat......and once in awhile some extra bone, esp in the fall when we butchered the hogs and calf for the year. it was a long process, basicly cooked down for days (corn added at the last).......and then cut into blocks that were later crumbled as it was fed.


I never bothered (the HUGE cast iron kettles were long gone by the time i was grown) but i have fed TONS of horse meat fresh (well frozen and thawed but ehh) usualy at a pound or so a day and then kibble to round it out (fed at will)

now days i dont even bother with that, idk how long it would take 1 beagle to eat a horse......but its a long dang time

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Blackflagginit.....you are darn right on the horse meat! Better than beef. Just can't get it. Everything said makes sense. Some have toyed with raising. "grain fed" racing greyhounds and they were not worth a nickel. They had glossy coats and that was as good as it got! I feel you have to feed some meal. There are things in there they need. My point was in today's market and grain going up and the grain free feeds being more than a buck a pound feeding meat...especially offal or tripe is less than half the cost and better with better performance results. There are plenty of dog food meat dealers out there.

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I reckon I am lucky. I know where I can buy 40 pound boxes of beef cracklins for $4. I have been mixing these cracklins in with my dog feed for many years. It sure works well for me.

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Sounds like something I would love to try but I don't know of a source for that amount of meat at a price I can afford.
Do you guys feed the meat raw or is it cooked in any way?

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Start at Blueridgebeef.com and look for a distributor in your area. I buy 30# blocks of meat and 5# tubes of green tripe. When we are full I feed 75 # of beef a DAY! I go through 1000# of beef every 10 days when we are full!! The coonhounds get diamond naturals and beef tripe. We also feed by weight! A coonhound should probably get about 2# of meat/meal mixture. A large greyhound male gets 2.5-3#.

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Sounds like something I would love to try but I don't know of a source for that amount of meat at a price I can afford.
Do you guys feed the meat raw or is it cooked in any way?



Therein lies the issue Jim. It can get pricey if you try and feed too many like that. I only ever did it with a single dog at a time, usually the one that I was working to death. A pound of bison, a pound of tripe, and one or two other things to round out the dietary profile. Fed once a day, about a half hour after the work. I fed raw. I'd order a case (40#) of bison meat, a case of tripe, and usually had the other items available local. I'd use wild bison or buffalo if I could find it. Local meat sources are fine to, wild meat has a bit more creatine in it. Some folks are scared of the creatine but once you see how it effects the individual animal, it is simple to handle. It isn't a secret that I am no fan of nite hunts but if a guy could get this type of feeding program in place 4-5 weeks ahead of your big hunts when you are busting your dog hard to get them ready, those late rounds you'll blow the doors off of them all things being equal save for the feed.

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Been feeding it for yrs. Green Tripe,beef hearts,liver(full size),lungs ,fat.along w/chicken gibbletts. Raw&cooked.I get all I can use @ no cost. I use victor kibble to mix. Along w/creatine. as a supplement.And a treadmill workout aerobic/anarobic.
Preformance is what I'm after.

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Raw green tripe has been studied at the University of Pennsylvania and was found to build muscle at a faster rate than any other protein.

Must feed....

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Blackflagginit.....you are darn right on the horse meat! Better than beef. Just can't get it. Everything said makes sense. Some have toyed with raising. "grain fed" racing greyhounds and they were not worth a nickel. They had glossy coats and that was as good as it got! I feel you have to feed some meal. There are things in there they need. My point was in today's market and grain going up and the grain free feeds being more than a buck a pound feeding meat...especially offal or tripe is less than half the cost and better with better performance results. There are plenty of dog food meat dealers out there.


gettin it isnt the problem for me and never was .....if i had a full kennel around here now we would still feed it, esp to the hard going, hard hunted dogs we were promoting.

the problem now is it wouldnt make sence to have an entire horse in a freezer to feed 1 little beagle lol.....she would NEVER eat it all.

we always butchered are own, even in the days when they were making the dogfood and selling it around....so getting it wasnt a big deal.

when i was promoting loose in the hunts.......a dog who was hunted 350+ nights a year and who the gps said WE walked an average of 11miles a night just go get him (who knows how far he accualy traveled on average :/).........1#+ per day of horsemeat and kibble free choice was the ONLY way we ever found to keep him in decent body condishion.

That dog went HUNTING ...........though in truth most of the coffie shop coondogs in the world prob never expend the energy to worry about what there fed

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...........though in truth most of the coffie shop coondogs in the world prob never expend the energy to worry about what there fed



This!

Which is exactly why you see the clowns promote the cheapo stuff. They will tell you emphatically that it works for them. I am sure it does, the truth is there are a number of folks out there that know these clowns don't hunt near as hard as they claim then. The cheapo stuff will not hold up period.

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Talked to Blue Ridge Beef today. They said they have a dealer in Indiana and Illinois I believe and are looking at moving product into Iowa. I also feed Sojos in my beef as only meat is not a complete meal. The Sojos is freezes dried veggies and fruit. I mix 1 cup to 2 cups water and can feed 8 dogs off just that. I also know a lot of people who "snack" before races ( you never feed until after a race) with yogurt and honey and a lot give a meatball with Blue Light. I am a HUGE believer in Blue Light or Stress Dex. We mix it in the feed tub. Any dog in competition should be getting a snack with an electrolyte before they perform. Also of they run hard and hot make sure they get a water an with an electrolyte to keep from tying up.

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Talked to Blue Ridge Beef today. They said they have a dealer in Indiana and Illinois I believe and are looking at moving product into Iowa. I also feed Sojos in my beef as only meat is not a complete meal. The Sojos is freezes dried veggies and fruit. I mix 1 cup to 2 cups water and can feed 8 dogs off just that. I also know a lot of people who "snack" before races ( you never feed until after a race) with yogurt and honey and a lot give a meatball with Blue Light. I am a HUGE believer in Blue Light or Stress Dex. We mix it in the feed tub. Any dog in competition should be getting a snack with an electrolyte before they perform. Also of they run hard and hot make sure they get a water an with an electrolyte to keep from tying up.


Tying up has nothing to do with electrolytes.

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Been feeding it for yrs. Green Tripe,beef hearts,liver(full size),lungs ,fat.along w/chicken gibbletts. Raw&cooked.I get all I can use @ no cost. I use victor kibble to mix. Along w/creatine. as a supplement.And a treadmill workout aerobic/anarobic.
Preformance is what I'm after.



Try Dr. Tim's Pursuit or Momentum. The guy that won last years Iditarod feeds 70% Dr. Tim's.

Dr. Tim's dominates sledding now.

You will never feed or even see a better food.

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I won't work a dog unless its belly is empty. No snack, no electrolytes, nothing. I want them empty but not hungry. I have never seen a time where an electrolyte supplement did anything for a dog. If you have to add electrolytes, I would take a look at other areas that may be causing the dog a need to be supplemented with them and fix the problem, not add a band-aid.

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All my big time performance experience is in greyhounds. I would say snacking is basically running on empty. Grain is what gives you probs if you feed it and work em hard. We always use electrolytes because in greyhounds at least they give so much and many times in the heat of the day. And your right electrolytes actually don't stop em from tying up. We use k-ease or buckthorn. But a lot of dogs do strain their kidneys after a hard run and we usually crate them with a can of stress Dex or Blue Light. There is a million and one different things trainers give race dogs. Some will share most of their secrets but not all. :-)

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There aren't many options for fixing kidneys. I always found it better to take good care of them from the beginning and not ask them to have to filter out many of the cheap ingredients in coonhound popular feeds, thereby putting a slow, downward decline on their kidneys from a young age. I don't know the first thing about conditioning greyhounds as far as their work/rest training, anaerobic or aerobic in order to get their top performance. I do know that if your feed is good, and clean water is available and monitored, work and dedication can make up nearly the rest. I outgrew the stage where I thought there was a magic ingredient. Good clean burning food, clean water, and hard work. Without those three things, all the tricks in the world won't do you much good. I do have a supplement that I use but like you said......no need to share everything.

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Well, the tripe really interests me. I think I will ask around at some of the local Amish slaughterhouses, they prolly have it cheap as anyone. The best I have come up with myself is a pound of canned mackerel (WalMart $1.38 per can) and 2 or 3 cups of Diamond AE once per day. But I'm always looking to improve within the limits of my budget.

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i have at times, esp in HOT nights, given pedilight or whatever that baby electrolight stuff is :/ between turnouts....and a few m&ms helped a few dogs who seemed to crash there bloodsuger on hard run nights......

mostly i always relied on good feed and clean water to do the trick , and i avoided kibble that had alot of corn or grain in it too...

other than that the only "trick" i ever used, even for those freaks who were wired 440, was the fresh horsemeat/kibble/clean fresh water.


i have seen guys give asprin....at least i THINK it was asprin :0.....and some stuff im pretttttty sure i didnt want to know.........but then agian, those types are likely to do pretty much anything to win or even for a temp avantage.........

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How many people are feeding raw beef and or green tripe? We have always fed a minimum of 50% meat to meal (kibble). Believe it or not when you add up the price per pound of a quality meal vs meat.....meat IS cheaper. Greyhounds have forever been fed meat. For lean muscle mass and performance. Is anyone feeding meat? All of our dogs including the Walkers get raw beef, raw green tripe and Pride. We mix 60% meat to 40% meal and mix with warm water. Blue Ridge Beef is readily available on the east coast and at the farm store in Charleston, WV and many other places....is anyone feeding it? It is so much cheaper than good meal and no worries about feed recalls. Just curious.


Do you sell blue ridge meats or where do you buy it from

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many moons ago

moonlighted @ a country buther /slaughter.shop free cracklings ...organs.....hung a cow gut in the tree next to kennel cut a piece off every night after hunting for the blues....now too many govt restrictions...

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I won't feed mine anything but ribeye steak. I also rub their hamstrings each night before I take them hunting. When we're done hunting they each get a full body massage and a bowl of warm milk.

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