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nc1484
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Jculler8. You have no idea what your talking about. You must not have read that too thoroughly before you commented. I have lost a pile of hunts. I have won a pile also. I've hunted all the Kc's for 15 years. Have put many miles under my feet chasing some of the best dogs in the country. I've handled my own and been hired to handle. Have finished many hounds out in all the kennel clubs. Won allot of trophies, state jackets, coon hunting gear, and had many photos in the magazines. Not to mention a pile of money (but all that money doesn't even compare to what i have spent chasing those titles. Wasted thousands of dollars!). None of that winning or titles means anything to me compared to treeing coons with friends, knocking coons out to young dogs, seeing a dog tree 10 coon a night instead of 5 in a measly two hour hunt, cooking out with people, just enjoying the pleasure of the sport.

To remind everyone of my point......i personally like traveling around pleasure hunting with people. Have just as much of a time in the big mountains as in the big flat corn fields up north. I have no use for hunts anymore. I spend less money and have twice the fun. Which do you enjoy more???

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I am new to the hunts. I had only pleasured hunted until May of this year. My wife looked at me the other day and asked if I realized how much time I was putting into the hunts? Traveling, money and so forth. I guess I didn't really until I slowed down to think about it. After talking with the wife I now think I am going to change up how I have been looking at this. I am going to pleasure hunt with my buddies a drop or two a few times a week. Hit the UKC events with my young females to get them their titles at the local clubs here to me. Then maybe some PKC from time to time until I make them PKC CH then go to Autumn Oaks, I have been going UKC on the weekends and 2 or 3 PKC during the week every week and yes I realized this past week the money I was spending and the time away from the family. Most of my experiences with the hunts has been good with good cast, but I have also had a couple bad ones. The other night my little dog started out the first drop with third strike second tree for us to get there and her meet us way off the tree and she wouldn't go back to the tree until after the dogs were handled. (Not her style) Second tree she gets first tree to again meet us way off the tree, but this tree another male dog was bleeding from around the neck and so forth... the other dog in the cast wouldn't tree with the 4th dog in the cast at all... the 4th dog in the cast was always on the wood though... well I basically wasted my money in gas, food, entry fee and everything so that my dog would get ran off the tree by a mean dog.

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nc1484
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Thanks for your post Tim. That's exactly my point. I wrote everything down in a book. Start millage. End mileage. Gas. Hotels. entries. Then i write down what i won. Money and the value of the gear I won. I added up from my last run $7,600 real quick... with only $3,900 won. Winning 87% of my casts. I slept in my truck allot of the nights. That's $3,700 i lost.$3,700 i lost for what? A PKC Ch title? A $100 jacket? Whoo. Who cares. I love having a real coon dog. I care nothing about owning one on paper.

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John D
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Re: Competition hunting. UKC, PKC, AKC

When its all said and done and you can't follow a hound through the woods anymore you better be able to look back and feel good about where you've been. Was it a good journey, or not?

If you were after trophies, wins, fame and money you will be disappointed. Your trophies will get chucked into the trash at some point. Your wins will get lost among the wins of many others. Fame only lasts until the next person wins and gets their picture taken. The money, no matter how much it was, was spent LONG before you won it. The obvious rewards are shallow and fleeting.

On the other hand if you conducted yourself as an honest sportsman, stood up to bullies, big mouths, and crooks you will have respect from the people who you want to respect you. The rest will hate you and want to tear you down. Thats ok and to be expected.

If you put your own blood, sweat and tears into a dog and get the dog to where it can go search for game, smell a raccoon's track, run it to a tree and let you know they have some meat and fur for you, then you've fulfilled a primal relationship between man and dog thats many thousands of years old. Deep down in our brains we believe our survival depends on what that hunting dog does for us.

If you put your dog out there for others to evaluate and took your losses with class and your wins with humility you have something to be proud of that has more substance than a trophy or a dollar.

If you contributed to the sport and helped build and support it from the bottom with a better coondog, then you probably won't go totally unnoticed. If you crook your way through nite hunts, deal in false papers, lie when it benefits you, run your mouth about subjects you know nothing about, get barred from message boards and kennel clubs, then you won't go totally unnoticed, either. So, which do you want to be noticed for?

If you have done some things right, then you will have made a positive difference. You can look back and say, "yes, it was worthwhile" and move on with head held high.

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Well i guess i did my part. I contributed to the sport of competition hunting many years but I guess you can hang it up for me. I'll always continue to support coon hunting plus all the other hunting i enjoy. So those of you who enjoy competing...live it up!

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I just love it so thats what I do. I do what I can afford and I try to involve my family as much as possible. I think John D made some excellent sense with his post.

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kydirtdog44
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competiton

TO ALL THAT SAY ITS A WASTE OF TIME , THATS YOUR OPINIONS AND ENTITLED TO THEM . I FOR ONE LOVE THE SPORT OR COON HUNTING AND ALSO THE COMPETION PART OF IT TO. IF NOT FOR THE NITE HUNST I WOULD HAVE MET SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIEND. IVE WON ALOT OF MONEY BUT ALSO LOST LOST IF I SAT DOWN AND TRIED TO FIGURE IT UP I GARANTUEE IVE LOST MONEY .BUT I DID IT FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT AND LOVE OF COMPETION, NOT FOR TITLES .I LOVE TO COMPETE I LOVE TO HUNT A WINNERS THERE IS NO ROOM FOR LOSERS IN MY KENNEL WETHER ITS A COMPETION HUNT OR PLEASURE HUNT . I WON MY SHARE . LOST MY SHRE MADE GOOD FRIENDS AND ENEMIES, NITES OF LOST SLEEP HAD GOOD TIMES AS WELL AS BAD.I ASK MYSELF WOULD I DO IT ALL AGAIN, YES 100 TIME. GOING TO A HUNT TONITE IF IT HAPPENS TO BE MY LAST ILL HAVE ENJOYED EVERY MIN OF IT. IF U DO IT ,DO IT BECAUSE U LOVE THE SPORT OF COON HUNTING WETHER IT BE COMPETITION OR PLEASURE, JUST ENJOY WHAT U DO,AND WHAT U ENJOY

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quote:
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But it's not just about the money. It's the heartache of disadvantages, crooks, the ethical part, and whatever else you want to throw in there. And also I'm not talking about doing it ever so often. I'm talking every weekend, or every week, all year, "chasing" the hunts. Putting aside the pleasure of the sport.



Sounds like dealing with good old every day life. There's crooked people, heartache and dissappointment with everything.

I've met far more good people at these hunts than bad. I enjoy going to all the different clubs around and meeting people and hunting areas I wouldn't normally get the chance to. In my short time of actually participating in the hunts I have found that you get what you give. I've learned some pretty good life lessons from the hunts, I"m sure some others have too.

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Tim Toler
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Please understand I do like the hunts and most people I have met due to the hunts, but am saying that I was putting a little to much into it, money and time wise and as far as me I have to back up a little and stay at the local hunts and not as often. I do like the hunts though really enjoy them and the people. If I could afford it I would be at a hunt everynight!!! I like them that well... was using the example of the other night as to what opened my eyes along with some nice comments from the wife haha.

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Jculler8. You have no idea what your talking about. You must not have read that too thoroughly before you commented. I have lost a pile of hunts. I have won a pile also. I've hunted all the Kc's for 15 years. Have put many miles under my feet chasing some of the best dogs in the country. I've handled my own and been hired to handle. Have finished many hounds out in all the kennel clubs. Won allot of trophies, state jackets, coon hunting gear, and had many photos in the magazines. Not to mention a pile of money (but all that money doesn't even compare to what i have spent chasing those titles. Wasted thousands of dollars!). None of that winning or titles means anything to me


Well you keep talking about all this winning you have done all over the country for years in each registry that being said i have been around for alot of years even longer then you have as far as these hunts go and have kept up with all of them winners that is if you dont care what is your name.

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Most folks figure it out right fast. Don't take em 15 yrs to see they ain't making money. I know I lose. Can't even win a buddy hunt anymore but I enjoy em.

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quote:
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I am new to the hunts. I had only pleasured hunted until May of this year. My wife looked at me the other day and asked if I realized how much time I was putting into the hunts? Traveling, money and so forth. I guess I didn't really until I slowed down to think about it. After talking with the wife I now think I am going to change up how I have been looking at this. I am going to pleasure hunt with my buddies a drop or two a few times a week. Hit the UKC events with my young females to get them their titles at the local clubs here to me. Then maybe some PKC from time to time until I make them PKC CH then go to Autumn Oaks, I have been going UKC on the weekends and 2 or 3 PKC during the week every week and yes I realized this past week the money I was spending and the time away from the family. Most of my experiences with the hunts has been good with good cast, but I have also had a couple bad ones. The other night my little dog started out the first drop with third strike second tree for us to get there and her meet us way off the tree and she wouldn't go back to the tree until after the dogs were handled. (Not her style) Second tree she gets first tree to again meet us way off the tree, but this tree another male dog was bleeding from around the neck and so forth... the other dog in the cast wouldn't tree with the 4th dog in the cast at all... the 4th dog in the cast was always on the wood though... well I basically wasted my money in gas, food, entry fee and everything so that my dog would get ran off the tree by a mean dog.
this is why i am struggling with putting my dog in her first hunt an first for me to cause if this happens to my dog somebody gonna get hurt!

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kydirtdog44
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competetuion

hey bud i dont know who u are, but im going give u a little friendly advise, i c that u r new to the hunts and thas great ,cause we have all been where u r . but going into your fist hunt with the attitude that u have . that spells disaster, so please stay away from the nite hunts if u feel that way , u get treated like u treat prople in theese things there are good and there r bad but go in with an open mind call ur dog for what it does, if u win the gerat and congralutions if u lose lose with dignity and walk away.

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this is why i am struggling with putting my dog in her first hunt an first for me to cause if this happens to my dog somebody gonna get hurt!


gottabered,

Just a question... who you going to whip?? everyone "THINKS" they know which dog is doing it... and probably are correct but no one gets to see what is going on... so you just going to jump and start something with someone?? This is a chance that it will happen and if you go to hunts with a chip on your shoulder to start with you are going to have more bad experiences then good, so to save you some time, money and aggreviation and maybe from getting barred you may want to consider not participating, because things are going to happen and you will get upset from time to time... but it is how you handle those situations as to how you will be recieved from now on..

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i've been coonhunting for many, many years! i still love it! i enjoy going to the hunts! great sport!


If we all had a dog like yours we would like it too!

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Everyone loves to win. The problem is you have to learn how to lose. Every 4 dog cast has 3 losers. Once you learn how to lose with class and not make all the excuses I see on this board all the time the wins will come. A man has to be honest with himself about the dog he is has on his leash. If you are hunting a below average dog but in your mind you have told your buddies all the stories about all the coons you are treeing, when you go to town and it looks like garbage it will come natural to make an excuse. Mean dog, got cheated, wouldn't see my coon, the list goes on an on. Until you are honest with yourself about what kind of dog you are leading you mostly likely will settle for less than a coondog

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