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BRK_Smoke
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Hunt test question

Dog goes hunting, strikes and carries track, locates and trees. Trees for more then 5 min. When hunters arrive dog is in a hole and the coon is seen in the hole. Does it pass? If your ukc rules it should

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Good question.. I have one to, we know that if a dog is working a track when the hour expires that he gets an extra 15 minutes, 12 minutes into this 15 the dog gets treed. The question is how much shine time can we use to find the coon?

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@ Smoke... yes, dog is plussed @ John.... shine time is " a reasonable amount of time" and you can use it to shine even if hunt time is over

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BRK_Smoke
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quote:
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@ Smoke... yes, dog is plussed @ John.... shine time is " a reasonable amount of time" and you can use it to shine even if hunt time is over


Thanks. Iv never hunted in one but my buddy took on of our hounds to it's first test andvthis is what happened. The judged passed the dog but then the club threw it out when they got back. Said a hole don't count

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I am sure I saw womewhere that Todd or Alan one said that holing a coon track in the ground, even if the coon was seen in the hole, did not meet the requirement for treeing a coon in a Hunt Test. Anyone else recall seeing that?

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the dog passed the rules r just like the comp hunt rules on a htx cast

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"A dog may receive credit if the coon is found in a tree no more than one tree away where a coon could have legitimately crossed over."

We have said since day one that the dog can only be passed for treeing a coon in a tree and staying treed for 5 minutes. I think the original logic was that it doesn't take as much treeing instinct for a dog to stay treed in a hole with a coon 3 feet from his face. We are simply trying to reward dogs that tree and stay treed with the game in a tree.

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quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I have one to, we know that if a dog is working a track when the hour expires that he gets an extra 15 minutes, 12 minutes into this 15 the dog gets treed. The question is how much shine time can we use to find the coon?


Good question. I would agree with the other post below that says you have a reasonable amount of time to go score the tree. As long as the dog treed within the 15 minute extension you would have time to walk to tree and search it for a reasonable amount of time.

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Hunt tests are supposed to be the KC way of really determining a coondog. If that's so, this should be counted, certainly!

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quote:
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Hunt tests are supposed to be the KC way of really determining a coondog. If that's so, this should be counted, certainly!


Agreed! This is a bad first impression for our first hunt test!

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quote:
Originally posted by DSKennels
Hunt tests are supposed to be the KC way of really determining a coondog. If that's so, this should be counted, certainly!
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I cant agree, if a certain No. of criteria are used to determin wheather a dog passes and one of those is a dog must stay treed for 5 mins. then eventhough the dog did what most hunters would consider to be the correct thing he didnt show in this instance that he will stay treed for the 5.

Todd thanks for the response.

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