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Jamey Gorman
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Like I said, everyone has there own opinion on the matter. I'll tell you a little story, that you may or not believe. Me and my dad one summer took out two of the fastest dogs, I have ever seen, That could hold a track or otherwise. The place we were at you could see for miles with big hills. You could see the dogs the whole time. I seen two dogs run like grey hounds for 2 solid hours, without even one break down or miss in the track. They covered some serious ground. Most people wouldn't even believe a rabbit could run like that. The rabbit finally jump in a lake and swam away. It was the one of the greatest experiences of my life. So your not going to convince me that all fast dogs are rough, because these two could not have run this track any more perfect at full speed. I will however concede that most fast dogs you will see are rough (not all) The key to the question is, fast and hold the track accurately. And yes, "My Dad is Bigger Than Your Dad, So take your ball and your dog and go home" LMAO

P.S Speed is the easiest thing to breed, but it ain't everything.

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I agree with you Jamey speed is the easiest thing to breed, but it is not everything.

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Mitch,

Don't believe we are far off. I would sacrifice a little speed for control but not much. You like that 8 range dog and I like the 7. :-). But I wanna a dog that sticks a little closer and is a little cleaner running. That's just what we like.

You are right... It makes the world go round that's for sure.

If we have a dog that can out run everything in this world including a cheetah and runs every ounce of track then there is a perfect dog in my eyes. We will never see the perfect hound. So we need to run what makes us happy, life is too dang short.

When I critique any of my hounds, I'm tough on them, I am looking for perfection. Will I ever see it... Highly doubt it.

I can say though, as beaglers if we are not careful and get caught up in all this speed stuff we are gonna loose the most important things and that is brains and hunt!!!!

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Well said bill

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When I critique any of my hounds, I'm tough on them, I am looking for perfection. Will I ever see it... Highly doubt it.




I agree.
And , I believe , if I ever quit looking for that perfect dog , the quality of my hounds will start to fall.....

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Great question/topic Seth! I'm enjoying reading everyone's posts.

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Mike Ridenhour's Dry Fork Red Man died by the age of 3 but he was a FREAK of nature... Red was wicked fast with great line line controll. Everybody who seen him run when he was healthy was impressed.

I am going to have to say it. Dave Roberrt's DR'S Power Stroke is a fast son of a gun and he has line controll.Oh... He jumps more than his share of rabbits as well. I am not sure of the issues of Dave or this dog but it Stroke was as tough as it gets.

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I agree.
And , I believe , if I ever quit looking for that perfect dog , the quality of my hounds will start to fall.....



thats rite!

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Mitch,

Don't believe we are far off. I would sacrifice a little speed for control but not much. You like that 8 range dog and I like the 7. :-). But I wanna a dog that sticks a little closer and is a little cleaner running. That's just what we like.

You are right... It makes the world go round that's for sure.

If we have a dog that can out run everything in this world including a cheetah and runs every ounce of track then there is a perfect dog in my eyes. We will never see the perfect hound. So we need to run what makes us happy, life is too dang short.

When I critique any of my hounds, I'm tough on them, I am looking for perfection. Will I ever see it... Highly doubt it.

I can say though, as beaglers if we are not careful and get caught up in all this speed stuff we are gonna loose the most important things and that is brains and hunt!!!!



that sounds about rite bill, Another thing also is if the day comes when we are producing hounds that cant win i know somewhere we have screwed up, just another way to look at it. I know guys hunt a dog to death and dog never wins ....kinda a hint ya know

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I love threads like this, It keep this site from becoming boring. I enjoyed reading every post. All the best

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Like I said, everyone has there own opinion on the matter. I'll tell you a little story, that you may or not believe. Me and my dad one summer took out two of the fastest dogs, I have ever seen, That could hold a track or otherwise. The place we were at you could see for miles with big hills. You could see the dogs the whole time. I seen two dogs run like grey hounds for 2 solid hours, without even one break down or miss in the track. They covered some serious ground. Most people wouldn't even believe a rabbit could run like that. The rabbit finally jump in a lake and swam away. It was the one of the greatest experiences of my life. So your not going to convince me that all fast dogs are rough, because these two could not have run this track any more perfect at full speed. I will however concede that most fast dogs you will see are rough (not all) The key to the question is, fast and hold the track accurately. And yes, "My Dad is Bigger Than Your Dad, So take your ball and your dog and go home" LMAO

P.S Speed is the easiest thing to breed, but it ain't everything.



jamie I agree to a point, but in no way did them dogs if they were as fast as u say had the equivelant control day in and day out as a style of dog like tess or izzy or some of terry suddiths stuff or those style of dogs, its just NOT happening, now can fast dog have good control , sure but 10 speed is not gona hav 10 control, sure thats wat we want and breed for. Put 4 10 speeds down and see if they snap back to point of loss ,not over shoot, race etc... not happening and im not gona sit here and act like there is these perfect dogs out there cause there aint.

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There are some disadvantages to having fast dogs, even if they are super glued to the track. I myself, I am a true rabbit hunter. That is why I have rabbit dogs. Competition was always 2ND to me and rarely went to hunts when season was in. The number one disadvantage of having a fast dogs is, They hole rabbits a lot faster. My experience has been, you will shoot more rabbits off a med speed dog, Than you will off a fast dog. Nothing to with tracking, just more pressure. I don't mind a med speed dog what so ever, but I can't stand a dog who blows holes in the ground barking every 4 steps. Some fast dogs are flashy to the untrained eye, But perfect nah, nothings perfect, but like myself, It is as good as it gets, Every Time I look in the mirror LMAO ..."Oh Lord It's hard to be humble, when your perfect in every way" LOL.. Just messing with ya...lol

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