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Handler strikes his dog and then follows by treeing his dog a good half mile away. About 30 seconds later, his dog falls treed right beside him. Handler informs judge he struck and treed wrong dog. Is he just minused strike and tree for calling the wrong dog or is he scratched for second offense of calling the wrong dog?

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Even though he struck AND treed wrong dog i personally would consider it one offense and just minus. UKC. may see it differently though.

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I believe he would be minused strike and tree and would have to strike back in for next available position.

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I would go with one offence if the dogs sounded similar.

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Scratched. He called the wrong dog 2 times.

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Technically he did call the wrong dog twice 1STRIKE....2TREE so im sure there are guys out there that would send him to the truck and unless theres something in the adviser that i havent seen, that is how the rule is written.
Boils down once again to the difference between a literal interpretation of the rule and the intent.

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oki got a question.... if this happens and the guy whos dog it actually was didnt strike his is he minused for thinking it was the other guys dog also

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He wouldn’t be scratched until the second time the judge minused him for it. In other words he would need to call the dog then be reprimanded by the judge and then commit the offence again.

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If somebody called my dog for strike Id strike my dog in right behind him off the same bark,same with the tree.

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Technically he did call the wrong dog twice 1STRIKE....2TREE so im sure there are guys out there that would send him to the truck and unless theres something in the adviser that i havent seen, that is how the rule is written.
Boils down once again to the difference between a literal interpretation of the rule and the intent.

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i would rip the card in half, and say lets go pleasure hunting boys and learn these dogs a little better!!LOL

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Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
what was the intent if handlers or suppose to know there dog
and there deep enough 2-4 dont know them

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He wouldn’t be scratched until the second time the judge minused him for it. In other words he would need to call the dog then be reprimanded by the judge and then commit the offence again.

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In Jims scenario we can see the handler made an honest mistake which he owned up to when he realized he had called the wrong dog.

I think a little common sence tells us the intent of the rule is to prevent a handler from intentionally getting points by calling another handlers dog. and the punishment is that those points are minused on the first offence, and scratch on the second.

Was the tree call his second offence? Only UKC. can decide.

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oki got a question.... if this happens and the guy whos dog it actually was didnt strike his is he minused for thinking it was the other guys dog also

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It was obviously two different offenses. The question came up, does the judge have to minus for the wrong strike and then again for the wrong tree before you would have a scratch offense or would it just be a scratch as soon as the judge says "minused strike and tree for calling wrong dog? I don't know.

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It was obviously two different offenses.

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If it is "obviously" two different offenses then he is scratched. But is striking and treeing the wrong dog on the same track when no one says anything really 2 different offences or is it one?

I love the question about do you now also scratch the other handler for failing to strike his dog twice also. Obviously he has now barked 8-10 times.

If so, you have now gotten rid of 2 dogs/handlers in the cast that have both treed a coon. Your dog can now back either one and get 225 plus.

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If it is "obviously" two different offenses then he is scratched. But is striking and treeing the wrong dog on the same track when no one says anything really 2 different offences or is it one?

I love the question about do you now also scratch the other handler for failing to strike his dog twice also. Obviously he has now barked 8-10 times.

If so, you have now gotten rid of 2 dogs/handlers in the cast that have both treed a coon. Your dog can now back either one and get 225 plus.

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sounds like the dogs may have sounded so similar that neither handler was sure wich dog was wich .

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We already know that you have to minus the handler for not striking one the third bark before you can scratch him. UKC has interpreted that for us. You cant just say six barks your gone.

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Then it stands to reason that you can't scratch him for treeing the wrong dog unless you minused him for striking the wrong dog before he treed him.

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My point exactly.

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Then it stands to reason that you can't scratch him for treeing the wrong dog unless you minused him for striking the wrong dog before he treed him.

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strictly by the card the way it is written 2 handlers are scratched.
Handler 1 has two offenses on the card for calling the wrong dog (-STRIKE,-TREE) thats 2.
Handler 2 has two offenses for not calling his dog on or before the third bark.hes gone tooo. because the card says this rule is to be rigidly enforced.

The reality of the situation is that when a dog is heard treeing way in there, that dog will most always bark more than 3 or even 6 times before the handlers can decide if it is theirs or not so someone either by speaking OR not speaking is commiting a scratchable offense.

Sounds more like a game of simon says than a coonhunt.

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Handler strikes his dog and then follows by treeing his dog a good half mile away. ...

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strictly by the card the way it is written 2 handlers are scratched.
Handler 1 has two offenses on the card for calling the wrong dog (-STRIKE,-TREE) thats 2.
Handler 2 has two offenses for not calling his dog on or before the third bark.hes gone tooo. because the card says this rule is to be rigidly enforced.

The reality of the situation is that when a dog is heard treeing way in there, that dog will most always bark more than 3 or even 6 times before the handlers can decide if it is theirs or not so someone either by speaking OR not speaking is commiting a scratchable offense.

Sounds more like a game of simon says than a coonhunt.

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