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Brandon Coselman
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Why is this?

Why do the people that hardly have any success in this sport always whine and cry about the people that do have success cheating and such...? Kinda funny if ya ask me...

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It has always been that way in every sport. Human nature I guess.

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lol

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cause they losers.....

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JUST REMEMBER IF THERE TALKIN ABOUT YOU,YOUR STILL WINNING...JIM IS RIGHT THATS THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEY NEVER LOOSE ALWAYS GET CHEATED....

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most of the so called cheating that goes on.... is from lack of knowledge of the rules in my opinion. People dont know the rules, or dont like the rules, and sometimes even disagree with the rules, so they call foul.

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I think everyone has a different interpretation of the rules. It is kind of like when you go to church. I have went to many different ones in my life and seems like the preachers all interpreted the bible in a different way. When someone interprets something one way then they feel cheated. Anytime there are rules someone always sees it another way. Myself I really do not care. I enjoy competition hunting more so than pleasure hunting but if someone wants to get upset about a rule that they think means different than what I do me and the ol dog go home mainly b/c it ain't worth getting mad or in a fight over.

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just keep winning and let the dogs do the work and talking for you LOL

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I don't get the feeling that is what Brandon is talking about.
I'm purty low level in this sport compared to where Brandon is at and even I run into those who never succeed mostly because they won't work at it enough and don't put much effort into it but they will continually claim anyone who DOES have a little success is getting it by cheating or any way other than simply earning it. I have never paid any attention to them and it seems almost no one else does either.

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quote:
Originally posted by cj.
most of the so called cheating that goes on.... is from lack of knowledge of the rules in my opinion. People dont know the rules, or dont like the rules, and sometimes even disagree with the rules, so they call foul.

Joey i believe you just about hit the nail on the head right there...

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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I don't get the feeling that is what Brandon is talking about.
I'm purty low level in this sport compared to where Brandon is at and even I run into those who never succeed mostly because they won't work at it enough and don't put much effort into it but they will continually claim anyone who DOES have a little success is getting it by cheating or any way other than simply earning it. I have never paid any attention to them and it seems almost no one else does either.



Jim you have done plenty in this sport!!! And im not talkin about just me here im talkin bout lots of different people... But something i have noticed is you hardly get any bitching and whining of people gettin cheated in PKC (unless its local ukc hunter) but its awful hard to go to a UKC hunt anywhere and not hear people talkin about how they got cheated or whatever... I just dnt understand how someone can cheat someone else, learn the rules and how to use them and its impossible to get cheated in my opinion!

And yes Jim i believe your absolutely right about the people that are not willing to put the time in... Most people have no idea how much time it takes spent in the woods to make a real winner and all the blood, sweat and tears lol

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JI just dnt understand how someone can cheat someone else, learn the rules and how to use them and its impossible to get cheated in my opinion lol
what a statement. Remember this Brandon. Whenever you have the judge equally in line to win at something there will be foul play. Always? No but many times. I can type countless ways you can be cheated in a cast. I don't have the time nor gumption to do so. The rules are in place sure but they are usless if you dont have honest men to follow them.

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what a statement. Remember this Brandon. Whenever you have the judge equally in line to win at something there will be foul play. Always? No but many times. I can type countless ways you can be cheated in a cast. I don't have the time nor gumption to do so. The rules are in place sure but they are usless if you dont have honest men to follow them.


I just dnt buy that... and if your gonna quote something dont edit it to look better for yourself, bcuz the what you quoted isnt entirely what i wrote... There some parts missing and a couple one extra part that i can see you added...

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I get over a cheater real fast, maybe too fast. On the the hand, the joy I get out of watching my dog beat someone who is really hardcore.....like say Brandon Coselman for instance......stays with me forever.

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I get over a cheater real fast, maybe too fast. On the the hand, the joy I get out of watching my dog beat someone who is really hardcore.....like say Brandon Coselman for instance......stays with me forever.


If your tryin to say somethin Jim come out and say it...

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Just this Brandon, getting hosed doesn't stay with me very long, winning against good dogs does. I don't even remember the last time I got cheated in a hunt. I member all the times my dog beat a good dog.

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Just this Brandon, getting hosed doesn't stay with me very long, winning against good dogs does. I don't even remember the last time I got cheated in a hunt. I member all the times my dog beat a good dog.
who doesn't? Lol

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