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Hi everyone:
I got a quick question to ask everyone in the breeding business.
Who prefer's to do AI breeding rather than natural?
I've done a few AI breedings myself in my profession and looking to start into an AI breeding business.
I'm trained to do AI breeding and I'm very precise about motility in male dogs and Progesterone in females.
My question is how many people want to AI breed there female?
Also how many people would like storing Semen from a well reproductive male?
I'm located around Southern Ohio.
Thanks,
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I'm not in the breeding business but I have had 3 of my bitches AI'ed and haul alot of Bulldogs and other fu fu dogs for the Amish to Bitzels to get AI'ed. I doubt I will ever live breed again. I am completely sold on AI. Between my own and the dozens I have hauled down there for Dean to AI, not one single bitch has ever failed to catch. And that includes the Bulldogs which from what I can tell must be the toughest thing on the planet to get bred.

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Jim,
Thanks for your response.
Yes, bulldogs are hard to breed.
I personally think AI breeding is a lot more easier on the female and the male. Makes breeding much easier.
I'm looking into starting a collection, AI Breeding and storage business here in Southern Ohio.
Would anyone care to share the going price for storage of semen, collection and breeding.
Thanks again,
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I don't know if it is better for the dog or not but I have seen MOJO down there several times and I can tell you this much, you turn that dog loose on Bitzels property and he will be on that table so fast it will make your eyeballs spin.
I have semen from Harry and Mojo stored and I pay $25.00 per year for every 10 breedings. AI is $200. I'm not sure what he charges for collecting.

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Can you not just get a vet to do it? My vet told me the could do it. Should I use a professional place? I don't think they are any around. Prolly be a good place to start one in north ga. Lots of stud dogs in the south.

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So $25/year for 10 straws?
$200 is the going for AI'ing, but I'm curious if the Motility test (or evaluation test) is included in collecting, because we all know some dog's aren't worth collecting.
Yes, Vet's can do it. That is how I've got most of my training is through school, but I don't want to open my own clinic. I want to be able to do my own animal work and have an AI business.
As for collecting and storing in Georgia. I might just have a route I do down that way 1 time a month or something to collect, store(up here) and AI. Because Storage tanks are mobile. Just an Idea, to help breeders of good Studs, get the service they deserve.
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You don't even need a vet. Heck, Joe Newlin does it himself. Freezing and storing is a whole nother matter. That requires a major investment in some very specialized facilities.
Bitzel includes the progesterone testing in the $200 for AI.
He collected my old Jeff dog and checked the semen right while I waited. It was no good and he didn't charge anything since the collection wasn't viable. I never bothered to ask what it cost if it had been good.

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Liquid Nitro just Droped in Cost .. I just re-filled my 50L tank for $32 good for the next 6-7 months depending on how many Collections I do when Straw freezing .. Pellet freezing requires more trips to Air/Gas for Dry Ice ..

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Southern Ohio is close for me
I know myself and a few others that would be interested from WV

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WV.Hunter,
I hope to be able to get a business up and going before long. I know lot's of people that want collections done and AI breeding done, but gas is so costly to drive.
What would you need done?
How many people do you think would be interested?
Thanks for your interest
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WV.Hunter,
I hope to be able to get a business up and going before long. I know lot's of people that want collections done and AI breeding done, but gas is so costly to drive.
What would you need done?
How many people do you think would be interested?
Thanks for your interest
Jeremy

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I think what would be great if you had a traveling collection business. Its very hard to find a place in GA that does collection. You might could take requests then when you have enough in a region, make a trip. Or could set up at big hunts.

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A traveling collection business is in my head.
I'm thinking about doing it in one spot 1 time a weekend. Have several clients lined up collect from the dogs' they want and then store it immediately in a portable Liquid Nitrogen Tank.
I'm pretty close to Jackson Ohio, 45640
Like I said I'm just getting into it, so gonna take me some time to get into business.
I'm very serious about this and hope I can work with each and everyone of you, to give you the service everyone deserves.
Thanks again,
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Originally posted by JMollett
A traveling collection business is in my head.
I'm thinking about doing it in one spot 1 time a weekend. Have several clients lined up collect from the dogs' they want and then store it immediately in a portable Liquid Nitrogen Tank.
I'm pretty close to Jackson Ohio, 45640
Like I said I'm just getting into it, so gonna take me some time to get into business.
I'm very serious about this and hope I can work with each and everyone of you, to give you the service everyone deserves.
Thanks again,
Jeremy

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WILL YOU ALSO OFFER BREEDING WITH THE FROZEN SEMEN,

I WOULD THINK YOU ARE GONNA NEED TO THE EQUIPMENT AND KNOWLEDGE TO DO PROGESTREN TEST TO BE SUCCESSFULL AT BREEDING, ITS ALL ABOUT TIMING AND NANOGRAMS. THE VAGINAL SWAB IS NOT ACCURATE ENOUGH WITH FROZEN BUT OK WITH FRESH CHILLED THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

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In June 2011 I took my male & a female in season to a reproductive specialist vet in the mid-Michigan area.

For the office call fee, the semen collection, the semen test (done at the time of collection), AND the Artificial Insemination cost me a total of $150.

We had NOT done any prior fertility testing of the female, & she is an older female, so they often don't conceive as readily as a younger female. She was in standing heat when we did the A/I, but that does not mean much, I have learned over the years.

We did not get any puppies from this breeding, but I believe it was because she was inseminated much too early in her cycle (on day 6); unfortunately, that was the only appointment date they had, so I took it. The next appointment date available would have put her out of her heat cycle.

They sell human fertility test kits online for about $27.00; next time, I think I will go that route and test my female first.

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Collection and storing is what I'm going to start out with.
I'm very familar and good at doing AI breeding's in dogs, As I have been trained to do it. I also do AI Breedings in Goats, Cows and Horses Everyday.
I'm going to be looking into doing the AI business here in a Clienteele setting, but as I have discussed and learned a traveling Collection and Storing Business is much needed.
Your right, progesterone levels are you most accurate way of telling if the female is ready to breed. Beginning heat cycle shows about 2-5ng on the progesterone test. I've seen some young dogs take on AI breeding at 10 nanograms and some go as high as 60 nanograms. It use to cost an arm and leg to get a progesterone test done, but ever since Pre-Mate came out, it isn't as bad. A full functional lab isn't neccesarily required.
As far as vaginal swabs, it is cheaper and pretty accurate, IF, you know what your looking for. You have to be able to tell if the cell is cornified to be in full standing heat. Once you know what to look for on the microscope slide you will be able to know when to breed.
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My local vet does a fresh AI breeding for $24.50. The $24.50 cost includes the "collection" of the male and checking sperm count under microscope and the"AI" of the female. It all happens in less than 5 minutes.

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That is the cheapest I've heard.
That's good you have someone that close to do it that cheap.
Anyone else want to chime in?

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I paid $40 for progestren test, collection of my stud & AI of my female in Southern Iowa. I know this is one heck of a deal... just wish other vets wern't so dang greedy.

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Anyone else want to discuss anything?
Interested in hearing what others have to say.
Thanks,
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I use Target Brand Progestrone / Ovulation Tests its $84 plus chilled Shipping . 12 Tests

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I think AI is the way to go. On our dairy goats we almost always AI. Now on our Jersey show cows we were a little more in depth. We did A LOT of embryo transfer and flushing fertilized embryos for transplant. I don't know anyone that does embryo transfer in coonhounds but I'd say it can be done. And you could get pups from world champion females out of cull surrogates.

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Cody,
Do you guys sell Dairy Goat Semen?
I raise Dairy Goats and do AI's on them also.

Majestic tree-
How many dogs does that Progesterone test do?
The one I've always used is Pre-Mate.
It does 12 dogs.
Thanks,
Jeremy

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We used to sell some out of LaMancha bucks but I've been out of the goat business for a few years. We sold some off the Hershey and Tumbleweed bucks we had.

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