Registered: Feb 2012
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Im training my first pup and tonight she ran 9/10 of a mile and lost the track of what she was chasing. How am I supposed to tell if it was trash or coon she just missed the tree on or lost the track. Also if I can tell it was trash and she gives up on it before i get to her how can I punish her for it.

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Also I don't have a good shocker any help would be appreciated thanks.

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Location: Minnesota
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Im pretty new to the game also. I hunt with a couple guys that been at it a long time. they told me to (after my dog runs coons
) turn him on a deer shock him good so he learns. then right after that turn him where you know theres coon n give lots of praise when he trees. always end on a positive note. makes sense to me there dogs are all straight and i have never seen them trash.
but you need a shocker for that and I know they are spendy

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I'm not sure if it was a deer when she is on the lead and we have crossed hot deer tracks she doesn't pay any attention I did catch her running a fox or coyote when there was snow on the ground and I tried to teach her a lesson for it. She won't run a possum though walked up on them in the woods and wants nothing to do with them.

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don't punish her unless you catch her in the act, and do it modestly win punishing. hurting dog accomplishs very little good. don't try to teach pup to much at one time, you gotta be smarter than dog. a happy dog wants please its owner, praise it modestly when it does good. and always remember you're deal'n with a pup. alot of patience

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Full moon makes dogs do funny things also, don't be too worried yet.

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I hate to sound too old timey. I had trashbred dogs long before shockers were invented, most dogs were back then. Of course I was a kid and a track star and I hunted in tennis shoes but they got broke. It wasn't pretty, but they got broke.

If you are new to training there is no shame in the first one you train to flunk out, as long as you learned from it.

The very best thing you can teach yourself is what that dog does sound like when he is trashing. There is a difference in his tongue I will bet. I say don't use the collar either if you are not absolutely certain. It also helps to be around trashy dogs so you can hear it enough. Go hang out at a foxpen and while they are not "trashing" so to speak they have a sound to the run that is identifiable. Go alot with possum dogs, if you can find anybody, while you leave your dog at home. Where most dogs tree going chop,chop,chop, a posuum dog almost says possum, possum,possum. You have to know the country the dog is crossing too. The open woods and creeks are fairly simple to me. The hardest ones are the corn and beanfield races with a doe tacking 'round. Good Luck.

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bright cold nite here in PA...and its breeding season for coon...them big boars can run a long ways in search of a hot sow...i wouldnt punish a dog without catching it in the act....

tough to break em of fox and coyote...deer is pretty easy...find some deer in a field and cut em loose...they burn the deer discipline them....


like was said, its a young dog and gotta have patience...lots of young dogs are ruined by the handler...when they are young its real easy to ruin them or set them back majorly....


i think the best way to break a dog off trash is to keep them from running them in the first place...i too have been working with a pup..gunna be 11 months old in a few weeks..i leave him at home when the weather and conditions are tough...and i take him to prime woods where a coon track will easily be found...gotta try to keep hunting fun and enjoyable for the pup...praise em, pet em up, shoot them the coon if you can...my theory is teach em what you want them to do and they wont have any reason to chase trash...probably dont work for all dogs...and even still they might decide to run trash sooner or later...but if you can get em on the right track early on it helps IMO...

just realized i also been avoiding fields with him...chasing trash by sight is very easy for a pup to do...something runs from it..pretty natural the dog wants to chase it...

get to trying to teach a youngun too much at once and disciplining them for this and that all the time hunting is no longer fun....and they can get to hate you and hunting....i want my dog to love me and hunting...

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lyle also brought up a good point...different voices and actions when burning trash....a deer chase is usually pretty exciting to listen to as they often run barking every breath if they are hot on the hoof of the deer...

coyote and fox chases can be a little different..depends if they are trailing by sight or scent...the only coyote chase i ever been on i knew he was burning a coyote...HUGE circles...and FAST..faster than i knew the dog could move! he was about a half mile or better behind the yote when i finally was able to catch him...but that was after probably 2 hours of chasing him around..no coon is going to run a dog around like that...


one dog i used to hunt with learned not to bark at possum..just killed it and moved on with the hunt LoL...once in a while i'd find a fresh dead possum...but when he treed them he did have a different bark..he knew it wasnt right...knew it wasnt a coon...

knowing the land also helps...they run every breath out across an open field for a long ways, that likely aint a coon...ive never had a coon leave a woodlot to run across open fields...

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She loves too hunt I have punished her very little in the woods because I can't tell what she is chasing but she will tree coon on her own and I pet her up real good for that. I really don't want to ruin her she is only 8 months old just wanted to nip running trash early on. The other night I swore she was running trash and on my way to catch her she treed two coon. Thanks for all the advice I will be sure to only discipline when I know for sure it's not a coon.

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Like mauser and you have said, Learning is the fun part. I am from South Carolina and grew up chasing deer with deerdogs , So I had an incling of what I was hearing coming at me and get ready. Like I said ,if you can still find some possum hunters it would be great, I realize NY never allowed a southern deer dog type of a chase hunting with dogs, so you might have to learn that sound on your own with your pup. Also, I have found in my later years that a pup might grow up to be just fine even if he chased trash for awhile, hippies are a prime example, they chased awhile this and that and then they finally got right.

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