Registered: Sep 2003
Location: illinois
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my question is, is ukc going to start doing something about guys selling pups claiming they are out of a certain stud but end up being out of another dog. from talking to guys on here it sounds like it is becoming common. the situation i'm talking about involves wessels wild casey and pups actualy showing up out of wessels wild card. 2 pups from 2 differant females is no accident like brian wessal says. so whats going to be done. (nothing as long as ukc keeps getting there money for registrations) i hope not. it's time to say enough is enough. my email is hometown98@winco .net if anyone wants to email me thank u very much

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It is not common - far from it. One dog can affect hundreds of records so you hear about it more. For example, the dog can be a stud on one record, a grandfather on another, etc.

Now where to place the blame? On the breeder? Think about this. If your kennel help left the gate open and didn't tell you, are you to blame? If the neighbor dog jumped the fence while you were at work and the neighbor retrieved their dog and you never knew it, are you to blame? If you sell a dog and it dies and someone puts papers on it, are you to blame? I assume you're talking about the Spanky exception with Cricket. Cricket is 10-13 years old. How do we know what happened that long ago?

In situations where we know wrong doing has taken place, those people have been barred. One man put two litters together and registered them as one. Another listed a stud with a better pedigree on the litter application. That person was also barred. We had evidence and we acted. We are NOT going to bar anyone unless we know someone purposely misrepresented a litter.

I remember reading an article about a serial killer. So much public pressure was put on the police to find the killer that they finally arrested a "likely candidate". The public felt safe again, the pressure was off the police, people slept better. Unfortunately, the real killer was not arrested and struck again.

How do you protect yourself? 1) Always buy from the registered owner on the papers. This is most important. Most of the people we catch putting papers on dogs, do not register them in their name. 2) Insist on buying a dog from a DNA profiled sire and dam. Then profile your pup. The DNA on your pup is compared to the DNA on the sire and dam. You will know for sure that you have the right bloodlines.

If you purchase a dog from someone other than the breeder, check to see if the sire and dam were profiled and then same thing, you can have your dog profiled. Even it has already been profiled, profile again. Why? Let's say the puppy was sold, the owner DNA profiled the dog and all was well. Let's say this dog is killed on the hiway. The owner has a grade dog he pleasure hunts with. He yields to temptation to put papers on the grade dog so he can get a good price for the dog. You buy the dog. The papers say it is DNA profiled and that makes you happy. If you profiled again, however, (which I strongly recommend), you would find that the dog does not match the parents. It would be clear to UKC that papers were placed on the dog because the DNA matched as a pup and did not match the second time.

In a perfect world, there are no mistakes, there are no wrong doers. In the world we live in, unfortunately there are. As I've said before, DNA gives you the truth. Sometimes the truth isn't pleasant. Before you had no way to find the truth. It's kind of like knowing there isn't really a Santa Claus.

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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: illinois
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sara if u read myy post u know i'm not talking about the spanky incident.i'm talking about brian wessel and wild casey. he says that he must of hunted( 2 differant females severael monts apart)with wessals wild card 2 long after they came in heat.not likely for a guy who has been in the business as long as brian. it seems obvios to me that casey wasn't producing big litters or any at all sum times so brian backed him up with card.casey is popular so he wanted to make as many dollars off him why he was still alive. and he did. and from what i hear on here it is more common ( probaly went on all these but till dna there was no proof) but what i'm saying is what does a guy like this have to lose if u and ukc say oh it's a accident, he has nothing to lose because there are no consiqences that's what is sad i 'm just saying now that we have proof bar or susend sum of these guys and the problem will stop thanks for your time. sincerly jeff deppermann

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So sorry, my speed reading was not so accurate. I completely missed who you were talking about. Please forgive.

I am not aware of the situation you speak of but there are several investigations going on at this time. I promise you this, if it has been reported, it is being investigated.

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Registered: Sep 2003
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glad to see alot of people have read my post. would like to see more responses though. my formal complaint has been sent to ukc as of 9-29-03. so i hope there is a investigation and sum kind of penalty handed down in this matter. thanks for reading my post .

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btt

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I looked this up, and I assure you an investigation is in progress. Thank you for your interest.

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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Indiana
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It is ALL about MONEY,there are ALOT of stud owners and breeders out there that could care less about their breed of hounds and how to better it,they only want to make that dollar anyway they can!!! However there are a FEW,very few at that,exceptions.

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