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ok we made 1 tree 2 nights ago and after we shot it out to my female she fought it for a while till she killed it, after that she went back to the tree looking for the coon. i found her about 10 yds from the tree looking for the coon so i told her dead coon and switched her butt. she went on but didnt really leave our sight. well tonight she treed 1 but we couldnt find it so im guessing slick. she is not the best dog out there but its all i got to hunt. anyways, after i led her from the tree she went back and treed some more. i led her away and said dead coon get on. well she went about 100 yrds then came to where we were waiting and left out again. after 45 mins of nothing we went to the truck which was only about 15 mins away. she was milling around the truck. wth? i wanted to shoot her but i didnt. i told her how that pissed me off and loaded her up and went home. why only 1 tree then stop? training maybe? should i lay her up or wear her butt out when i catch her at the truck? she is 2 yrs old and didnt do anything till i got her but now she is trying. she gets better everytime out but only 1 coon a night. thanks for reading

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id where her out and send her back in the woods

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Sounds like she was trained to be loaded up and ride to the next bucket.

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I almost never turn loose from a tree, I usually make the dogs atay with me on the way back to the truck and go to another spot. And no, I'm not hunting buckets.

Try loading her up and moving to a new spot, even if it's only 100 yards.

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with out really seeing whats going on its hard to anwser a question and be 100 pecent right you said you switched herwhen she went back to the tree which i would have done you didnt say how bad you switched her she may be the type of dog that cant take much whipping then you said she left and you found her milling around the truck then sounds like you beat on her again she may have been beat and banged around from the time she was a pup now you got her she aint doing what want her do do so you beaten on her you need to take time lead her a ways from the tree before you turn her loose not being a smart ass but i would say you keep beaten on her instead of trying other methods you on your way of ruining a young dog that could end up making a good dog i dont know everthing but i have seen guys ruin a good pup from beating on them all the time when they mess up but every body got thier own way this is jmo

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I almost never turn loose from a tree, I usually make the dogs atay with me on the way back to the truck and go to another spot. And no, I'm not hunting buckets.

Try loading her up and moving to a new spot, even if it's only 100 yards.

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A lot of the places I hunt are small woodlots and fencerows. In these places once a dog trees, every coon in the area hears it and heads to a den. 90% of the time after the first tree, if you turn loose again from the same spot, the next tree you walk to will be a big old piece of wood with holes in it.

So...I've got to where I tree one, load up and go to the next spot to tree another one. Just my experience...

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I like to cast from a tree to keep from getting them in that habit. But it does take big woods. Coons here don't live long enough to learn how to head for hollows. LOL All they see is deerdogs for a few months before I start hunting so coons don't worry much about dogs I don't think.

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Ive had same problem,tie em back at the tree dont let e,it m touch the coon

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I like to cast from a tree to keep from getting them in that habit. But it does take big woods. Coons here don't live long enough to learn how to head for hollows. LOL All they see is deerdogs for a few months before I start hunting so coons don't worry much about dogs I don't think.

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I usually educate a lot of coons cause I don't shoot out but about 25% of the ones I tree. I don't kill any in the off-season (which is 9 months of the year), and even during kill season I don't take small coons. But, yeah I can see your point in not wanting them to get used to the fact that you'll automatically be going to the truck after the first tree. I'm just lucky to be hunting a couple good dogs right now that are already real good and established and even someone as dumb as me will have a hard time messing up.

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I don't recast from a tree. Always load up and move to another spot.

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ok we made 1 tree 2 nights ago and after we shot it out to my female she fought it for a while till she killed it, after that she went back to the tree looking for the coon. i found her about 10 yds from the tree looking for the coon so i told her dead coon and switched her butt. she went on but didnt really leave our sight. well tonight she treed 1 but we couldnt find it so im guessing slick. she is not the best dog out there but its all i got to hunt. anyways, after i led her from the tree she went back and treed some more. i led her away and said dead coon get on. well she went about 100 yrds then came to where we were waiting and left out again. after 45 mins of nothing we went to the truck which was only about 15 mins away. she was milling around the truck. wth? i wanted to shoot her but i didnt. i told her how that pissed me off and loaded her up and went home. why only 1 tree then stop? training maybe? should i lay her up or wear her butt out when i catch her at the truck? she is 2 yrs old and didnt do anything till i got her but now she is trying. she gets better everytime out but only 1 coon a night. thanks for reading

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I always recast from the tree but i have some pretty big woods to hunt and don't shoot many coon out. I think some of the problem may be shooting every coon out. The one male i own will tree a lot more coon if i don't give him any.

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I have never forgotten the first dog that I drew in a night hunt that would recast from a scored tree. I saw Doug Jackson take about 3 or 4 steps and cut Whitey and he left outa there like he was fired out of a cannon. Huge advantage to having a dog that can be recast from a tree.

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I have never forgotten the first dog that I drew in a night hunt that would recast from a scored tree. I saw Doug Jackson take about 3 or 4 steps and cut Whitey and he left outa there like he was fired out of a cannon. Huge advantage to having a dog that can be recast from a tree.

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I have never beat her. She has been switched but never enough to make her holler.

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It's all in the training! A dog who will not go when recast in the same woods is in a world of hurt when you take it to town. Especially when you hunt a registry that pays out cash awards.

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When trying a dog I always make the man cut more than once in the same woods. You would be surprised the number of dogs AND hunters that never get that opportunity. Most dont look as good on the second drop. It can usually be trained correctly in a short order. Yes another dog that goes on helps, but after a few times of that, you have to do it by themselves.

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My dogs will recast from the first tree, I just don't do it often. Guess I'm lazy, but as a pleasure hunter who never has or never will be in a comp hunt, I justhate having to walk to the other side of a woodlot or the other end of a fencerow to look at a den tree, then snap on the lead and walk all the way back to the truck, when I could just walk the (usually) short distance from the first tree back to the truck and go to another spot to see more meat.
With my technique I can see up to 4 coons on a good night in the time it would take me to see one coon and a den or two if I was recasting from the tree. But like I said I am strictly a pleasure hunter and like seeing fur.

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Some dogs love to hunt, some not as much, and some are lazy. A dog who loves to hunt is the preference, but you have to develop that in them. Make the hunting FUN for them. That's where playing with hides and drags when they are puppies helps. For a 2 yr. old, you can still do some of that, but not much. They need to be in the woods.

I broke one of coming back to the tree like this:
I would really pet him up when he found the coon (whether or not I shot it out).
I would then walk less than 30 yards and recast him, then I would go back and stand under the tree (had a partner already there too). Then when he made the u-turn, I would tell him "dead coon - get on" and BUMP him on "1" on the shock collar. Don't ever light him up. Just a bump so he knows to respond to your command. It didn't take but twice for that one (really 1 and a half because he was hesitant the second one), but may take more time depending on the dog. Mine just really responds to the collar.

I've found shock collars work MUCH better than the switch, and the dog respects you more. He doesn't connect you with a stick, but connects your commands with an uncomfortable tingle. If a dog has been beat - it'll ruin him unless you can earn his respect again. You can't beat a dog to do what you want, you have to TRAIN them. Sounds like you are doing that by switching, but again e-collar is much more effective.

I would try recasting in the same woods, and from the same tree as above. You may have to walk more for a while, but that will get her to hunting more than one tree. As someone else noted, that is probably what she is used to.
Mostly, be patient. You won't change her habits, especially at her age, overnight, but she will get it eventually.

BTW: If it's a lazy dog....better get MORE patience. They are the hardest to fooll with because they don't love to hunt enough.

One question too: Do you hunt her with other dogs very often with multiple turnouts in the same woods? How does she do with them?

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sorry, I already typed a book, but here's one more thing to consider....

She may not really like fighting coons. If you are shooting them out alive and she is the only dog, she may not be much interested in doing it again. Her reward for treeing one is fighting it. She may not have a problem fighting it out of intinct and what not, but doesn't mean she likes to.

I have what I consider a real coondog, but with all his good qualities, he doesn't like to fight 'em. He likes to lick and chew after they are dead, but not kill 'em. So, we have a deal that the previous owner made with him too...."You tree 'em, I'll kill 'em". We try to shoot em out as dead as possible when he is by himself or training a pup.

Try just petting her up good when she trees it and move to the next one. And when you do shoot it out, shoot it dead.

Remember, dogs are not cars. They don't do what they do just because you turn a key. Just like hunting needs to be fun for you to keep wanting to do it, it has to be fun for the dog too to keep doing it. That doesn't mean you don't have to train and correct, but if the training and correction takes all the fun out of it, they won't do well.
It's like athletes training for their sport. If they mess up, they run laps and what not, but if you beat 'em with the hose, starved them a week, put them through waterboarding or whatever, they are going to prefer to sit on the couch and play video games rather than be a good athlete.


One final thing...be sure she is in good shape. That will affect how much she wants to keep hunting too.

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i told her how that pissed me off

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Well actually mine will go from any tree if I let em! I just don't allow it to happen. They don't go back to the truck on their own. I have seen some that were trained that way ... to go back to the truck when they got burned up with a shocker.

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i got a redbone that did this. she would only tree one a night. idk what happened, but after a while, she got to where she would tree about two... she will usually tree and then i put her on a leash and walk a ways away from the tree. and i trained her to a word command. "go get em". anytime she heres that, shes rearin to go.

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o and before i shoot the coon out, i tie her to a tree where the coon will land out of her reach. this makes her want the coon even more. and she has done better since i started that.

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