Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Indiana
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This came to mind while talking with someone. Why shouldn't or should a person shine a competitors tree? I think that it is just down right unsportsman like to not help another person find the coon if his dog has treed one. Shed some lite on this subject and let me know why I shouldn't shine and help find a coon.

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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Texas
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If you want to be thought of as a good sport , and you want others to help you out when you need it < SHINE AND FIND >their coon to , better to be thought of as a man than a mouse !!!

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Michigan
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Well I think its a great honor to find the coon for my fellow cast members, however most competition hunters don't really shine the tree to help another unless their dog is treed also, and it happens in both registeries.

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I try to find a coon, no matter if it causes me to win or loose.
I have drawn those guys that stand around with the lights out, I say it's bad sportsmanship. They act like they aren't beat if you don't find the coon. Don't they ever wonder if they had the best dog that night. I wonder if when they look at those trophy's on the mantle, they remember how they stood around with the lights out hoping to get lucky.
I like to look at those trophy's and remember a night when I had the best dog, the night my dog "did it right".
I've only done this for 15 years, I have won some and lost many. When you when it right, it feels real good, it's a feeling that lasts a long time.
Finding another mans coon is a good thing. Especially when you find one for one of those "lights out guys". I think it puts a guilt trip on them. Some even seem to straighten up, the next time you draw them they try to find your coon to disolve that guilt.

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I'll try to explain it for you. If you have a spectator on the cast he might only help the handler he's with, giving more eyes and lights when it would benifit them. This would be an unfair advantage to his handler. If the spectator looked fairly for all handlers on that cast the it's unfair for the other casts who only have their handlers looking.

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: TN
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i see it like this.....if you are a true sportsman you will shine every tree no matter what.......now some i am sure you won't shine near as hard as others for various reasons but that is only natural........the only time i think you shouldn't help someone shine a tree is if someone asks you if they can shine it alone for a while if they have the most to gain on it.......

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I guess I am kind of naive, but I always thought the purpose of the hunt was to determine which DOG did the best job that night, not which handler was the most mercenary...how can you determine that without doing your best to find the coon in every tree, whether it benfits your dog or not?

It is supposed to be a contest between hounds, not a handler's savvy altogether, although we know that plays a part.

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Is unsportman and will do anything to win including cheeting.So I like to see them out of the hunt .

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Tennessee
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I like to see other peoples dogs do good . If I can find your coon , even if it beats me , I will . It is good sportsmanship and shows the true character of a person . I don't like the anything to win attitude ! Good luck to all. Stephen Reeves

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
I'll try to explain it for you. If you have a spectator on the cast he might only help the handler he's with, giving more eyes and lights when it would benifit them. This would be an unfair advantage to his handler. If the spectator looked fairly for all handlers on that cast the it's unfair for the other casts who only have their handlers looking.

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Believe it or not fellows I am happy to say that I agree with yall on this one for sure. I think the contest should be between the dogs!!!!! Not the handlers. THis is also one reason I believe paid handlers are a bad thing. Kinda like a paid judge or a paid referee. It just aint no good. We can start making a lot smarter breeding descisions with dogs if we start seeing the real ability of the dog without the ability of a cheating or unsportsmanlike handler blurring the real picture.

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Registered: Jun 2003
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It says in the rules that spectators are not supposed to shine the tree.

But, most casts dont have a problem with it as long as they dont say anything if they happen to find the coon themselves.




How else are the young or unexperienced folks supposed to learn what to do in a Nite Hunt, if they dont get to participate in it a little bit.




Quincy dosent care, they way he see's it, unless it's out in the open and easy to see, the more lights the better!!

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Missouri
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Spectators are not allowed to shine trees, period. Its a rule, not subject to being changed by the cast.

Spectators ARE allowed to see the coon after the tree is scored. If you have beginners or kids along and want them to see it, that is the time to let them.

Anybody that will find a coon that doesn't benefit them is a true sportsman. Having said that, there are times when I realize I'm the only one looking for the coon, but thats alright. If I ain't coonhunter enough to find a coon, then I don't deserve the plus. In all fairness, other handlers might be listening for their own dog and its easier for them to do if their not rubbernecking towards the stars.

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I always look for the coon, for the dog, I don't care who owns it.

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Location: Columbus, Ks
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I have always assisted other hunters in searching a tree. For the most part, I don't look for the coon as hard but certainly help shine. I don't look at others as being unsportsman like when they don't help shine. I just figure their dog needs all the help they can get.

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Ky
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I believe that you should help your cast shine, and if you see a coon, let them know. Would you really feel good about yourself if you didn't know if you really won or lost? So I say give the dog credit if he or she earns it.

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