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Looking for the PRO's and Con's between 3 dog and 4 dog casts. What if UKC hunts went to 3 dog casts with 4 dog casts where needed? Just opposite of now.Most people I talk to like 3 dog casts better then 4 dog. One problem I see is more guides would be needed. With smaller areas to hunt could you hunt smaller spots with one dog less.? I posted this the other day but it was pulled. Why I don't know. Only when I tried to find it it was gone.

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With a 3 dog cast you wouldn't have any ties with voting on how to score a tree or interference......etc because there would always be a majority. Also, there is less of a chance of two dogs sounding alike, which is good for some and bad for others. But like you said, that means more casts and more guides.

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Just another way of making it easier to win.
Everybody wants to draw the 3 dog cast. You take them when you get them.

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Originally posted by JiM
Just another way of making it easier to win.
Everybody wants to draw the 3 dog cast. You take them when you get them.

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I started this same post on another message board. We are looking into possibly starting a 3 dog format. Trying to get some serious feed back.

The Pros

1. I can guide alot more places with a 3 dog than a 4 dog.

2. No ties.

3. Easier to judge.

4. Easier to determine whos dog whos.

5. Since the hunts over the years has went from 3 hours to 2 hours and now the final cast of AO is 1 hour why not????!!!

Most clubs are luck to draw 3 reg cast and 2 nt ch cast, its not like the days when you had a full 40 dogs in a hunt and the club would give out a full set of trophies. Now all you get is a receipt not even a dog lead.

As our sport changes and it is a dying sport, we should change along with everything else to help better the sport. Having a 3 dog format is grand idea and I believe it would be more popular than it would not.

Now the Cons:

1. Everyone who thinks going from a 4 dog to a 3 dog cast is a easier win: Say that to the 2 other guys that got beat in a 3 dog cast!!

2. Cant think of any!

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Jim, why would it be easier to win? Everyone would be hunting in 3 dog casts except if a 4 dog cast was needed to fill the casts. Everyone would still have the same chance. Or what aren't I seeing?

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I agree Jim, math wise you have a much better chance by %8.3

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Originally posted by Bradley E. Hall
I agree Jim, math wise you have a much better chance by %8.3

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Cause if you draw two buddies, then not a fourth guy to be honest with you. Then we will read that such and such got screwed alot more often on here than we do know.

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Thats why the other registry has a place that you can sign on the back of the scorecard called the gray area. If you sign in the gray are the card is dead with no placement allowed.

THE SEEKER very very good in sight. It would be harder to get a first place win!!!!

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I like the three dog idea. I dont think it would make it any easier to win the hunt. (same # of dogs to beat). My biggest gripe about the way it works now is all the slick trees gettin circled, If theres 2 dogs and a clump of 6 leaves on a tree its getting circled,maybe in a three dog cast this would be reduced some. Might also be more actual hunt time for a coondog, iv been on casts where we have spent over half the hunt walking back and forth shining empty trees.

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Anyone else? Ideas

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we already award the tree dog enough,maybe we should
go back 100 each way.

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I like drawing a 3 dog over a 4 because less dogs means its easier to hear your own b/c theres less dogs to hear over top of

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everybody likes drawing the 3 dog cast because it gives you the advantage but how many would like drawing the 4 dog cast when it was needed... not many i bet... or just let there be 2 two dog cast and seee who has the advantage... i think leave it alone we have trouble getting guides and judges now and with places getting fewer and fewer to hunt you will have more travel to be able to hunt in the long run i think it would cut entries

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I really dont get this post..seen it on both forums.. Is it really that much easier to guide a 3 dog cast then a four.. I judge 90% of the casts Im in and I havent had any trouble judging a four dog cast.. If a handler isnt competent enough to recognize his dog in a four dog cast then one less isnt gonna make to big a difference..

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