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kfleming
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Training Advice

Anybody have any training tips they can share with me? I have a nice 8 month old Walker that has first struck and first treed 4 times having the meat each time. When i turn her in with my old dog she goes with him but kind of gets off to herself and gets the job done on hot coons now. So far every time my old dog has treed she's been close but will not back whatsoever (but that's fine with me). I hunted her out of the boat the other night and turned her on a hot one and she treed it. The problem I'm having with her is she won't hunt by herself. What do I need to make her start hunting out by herself? I know if she'd just go by herself she would get hooked somewhere. I really like her but she's the first hound pup I've ever tried to get started. I just don't know what I should be doing now.

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Walk her out into the woods and if she doesn't go hunting just stand there. Don't give her any attintion, just stand there. Eventually she will go hunting. She most likely will hunt close at first, but when your'e satisfied that she's hunted a patch out walk her on to another. Having patience is the most important part.

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Not trying to be smart about it at all but it sounds like your old dog may be getting rough with your pup. If the pup runs and trees well by its self then there is no reason why it shouldnt with company.

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Not trying to be smart about it at all but it sounds like your old dog may be getting rough with your pup. If the pup runs and trees well by its self then there is no reason why it shouldnt with company.


The old dog isn't getting rough with her, he backs her and I've never heard a growl. Of the 4 coons she's treed, one was out of the boat on a coon we saw run up the bank not thirty seconds before, one I must have dropped her right in on top of one because she didn't go a hundred yards and got hooked in front of the old hound, and the other two she went out with the old dog but got off to herself and treed. She just doesn't care about another dog treeing or running track. Several times she's come in before the old dog and he would strike and tree and she won't go to him. It's like she don't care a thing about backing him. I like that about her that's why I want to start hunting her totally alone. I just can't get her to hunt out far enough in most cases to strike a coon without having another dog there for her to run with.

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time....at 8 months old most dogs are still very immature. Good Luck with your prospect, and have patience with her.

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time....at 8 months old most dogs are still very immature. Good Luck with your prospect, and have patience with her.


But what would you do? Keep taking with the old dog? Drop her by herself and walk her a little? What would yall do?

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One is time.The other just take her out by herself and just slow walk throw the woods.If know where coons are walk in that direction.Sounds like she 's got the basics down.When she comes across a hot track she will more than likely run it.Just don't push a 8 month old dog to hard or get on it to much.She will start get farther and farther away from you in time...Young dogs like to have a buddy with them sometimes....Hope I could help some...Good luck and happy huntin

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Id leava the old dog home. Go where you can turn her loose and sit on the tailgate. Might take 20 minutes and it might take an hour, but eventually she will get bored and go hunting.

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Id leava the old dog home. Go where you can turn her loose and sit on the tailgate. Might take 20 minutes and it might take an hour, but eventually she will get bored and go hunting.
Not tryin to start anything but not big on sittin....With a young dog it help to see what there up to and stop any mistakes right when there about to do them...The more the dog gets into hunt they'll start leavin your feet...Just my 2 cents worth...

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I hear ya i hate sittin to, but at some point its the price ya gotta pay for starting them with another dog. Walking them in is ok if you want to create a dog you gotta walk hunt. I learned this lesson the hard way, I had a young dog that was a ball of fire with another dog but when it was time to single him out a sat on that tailgate for an hour four nights in a row before he got the message that if he wanted a coon he was on his own.

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I hear ya i hate sittin to, but at some point its the price ya gotta pay for starting them with another dog. Walking them in is ok if you want to create a dog you gotta walk hunt. I learned this lesson the hard way, I had a young dog that was a ball of fire with another dog but when it was time to single him out a sat on that tailgate for an hour four nights in a row before he got the message that if he wanted a coon he was on his own.
Yea I very rarely hunt my dogs together.If I do I end up havin to leave one treed for a while..They go different ways as soon as they leave the box....

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Drive your truck out in the middle of a 25 to 50 acre field. Let the dog out and get back in the truck and go to sleep. When you wake up, the dog will be treed or hunting for something. I have used this technique many times. It works for me.

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put you out some feeders so you can cast your dog on hot tracks for a while. if she catches on keep moving the feeders farther and turn loose farther. be carefull to much feeder action will make a lazy dog.

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quote:
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But what would you do? Keep taking with the old dog? Drop her by herself and walk her a little? What would yall do?


I generally start mine with a pup trainer, but if they can do it on their own without help then they don't get help. If she was mine I would just take her to where there is plenty of coons and let her do her thing. Hope this helps and good luck with her sounds like a nice pup.

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Whats her breeding? Is she out of any of Jerry Molls breeding? I started the old Molly Ann female Jerry had and you pretty much described her to a T, when she was a pup. The reason he got her back was i never liked the way she hunted in my country she eventually came into her hunting and made a real dog/reproducer.

Whatever you do don't try to whip/or make her go hunting you can ruin her. I wouldn't bother hunting her with an old dog she doesn't need it. I don't believe in using old dogs or pup trainers to train pups anymore I'm looking for those pups with natural talent. Yours has the talent to tree coons, she just hasn't come into her hunting, some develope into hunting dogs some don't.

I believe a pup comes into this world with its ability, all we do is enhance it. More dogs have been ruined by trainers/dipsticks trying to make a dog be something that its not.

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kfleming
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Thanks for the help

Just about everyone is saying the same thing, just drop her and wait on her to do it by herself. I'm sure going to try it. I have a place down on the lake where I can drive out on a big peninsula on Cordell Hull lake. There's water on 3 sides, she should have a good shot at treeing one in any direction. By the way, my little pup first struck and treed on two finished dogs last night. I'm pretty proud of her.

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