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We've all heard this argument with deer hunters, but recently I've had turkey hunters say don't be in the woods till they are done hunting. I know we do scare turkeys off the roost at night occasionally, but what impact do you think this has on turkey hunting the following days or a few days after?

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as a turkey hunter, that also runs coon hounds, some of my better hunts have been after weve busted birds off the roost in the night...

a gobbler roosting with his hens is going to be dang near impossible to call in the morning...

a gobbler busted off the roost and separated from his hens will be lonely in the morning....

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turkey hunters should pay us to keep them coon at bay!!!ran many a coon off turkey nests many many times

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has no effect whatsoever. that is just plain and simple fact. all wild animals know when they themselves are in danger. My dogs do not run turkey tracks. It is impossible to find a Turkey on the ground to run at night. Sure, we may run one from time to time with a light, as we walk close to a roost, but as for the dogs, only an absolute idiot who knows nothing about the subject would say dogs effect it. It know, i do both. Opening day in GA, this year, called 2 to the death, and heard some 6 more birds in the same area that was competition hunted just the night before. believe who you will, and what you will, but you will never convince this hunter of any adverse effects at all from the dogs, or man walking in woods. BY THE WAY. That is bull about the deer thing too. South Carolina did an in depth study on just that, and found no ill effects. It can be read on the GA. Hunting and Fishing Federation web site or the GA Federation of Coon Hunters site. I draw this conclusion from a well known fact. South Carolina's deer hunting industry is the largest in the nation, and brings in millions to the economy. If it hurt it, they would write a law to protect it. enough said.

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I was recently contacted by a member of the Wisconsin Wild Turkey Federation asking for help in controling the coon on some land that the owner wants turkeys. The coon hunters and turkey hunters need to get along for the sake of both sports, we benefit each other. If he does not want you on his property for the turkey season it is a small price to pay for hunting the rest of the year. I don't think coon hunting has a negative impact on turkey hunting and would agree that it probably makes it easier to call in that lonely tom.

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Originally posted by A.Kath
We've all heard this argument with deer hunters, but recently I've had turkey hunters say don't be in the woods till they are done hunting.
Andy

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Tell them to stay out of the woods cause they keep disturbing the coon with all their calling.....

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My 'ol redbone dog layed up a turkey one night. Never treed but the one. I doubt that one had been on the ground. I doubt they run many off the nest. Deer hunters and turkey hunter believe they do for sure.

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If we happen to spook them from their roost, its my honest opinion that it could help the turkey hunting just as much as it might hurt it.

I wanted to hunt this spot for our nite hunt on Friday and the state youth hunt on Sat, but it looks like it's a no go. The part that caught me off guard is the turkey season doesn't start till next Wed.

Just tired of coonhunting playing 2nd fiddle to everything else, pretty soon we will be disturbing the trout in the stream too.

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I do both turkey and coon hunt as well as deer hunt, and I have no problems with hunting deer or turkey after I coon hunted the area the night before. All that is is a reason for someone to bi#@%!!!!!!

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I believe the conversation should be a bit different. How hard are turkeys on the rest of the critters around? I know around here when we have a bad winter or a low acorn crop it seems like the turkey don't leave much for the rest of the critters to eat. I have seen fields when a flock goes down through it and they are like vaccum sweepers they don't leave much for any thing else. Deer, squirrel coon quail or anything else. They do the same thing under oak trees. I wish their were a lot less of them. That is just my opinion.

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let me clearify my statements. they are without doubt a fact. YES, we should all get along, and make an effort to try. All hunting should be able to be enjoyed by those who do. If a owner doesn't want you to hunt coon or anything, during a certain season, then it should be honored. I was talking about large hunting leases, that dominate the south, with deer and turkey hunting at the forefront. should coon hunting be stopped on these lands, during the above seasons, the area of Georgia that i live in would have about 60 days of good hunting. All summer is available, but in essence, one could say that mid september to mid January...no coons: deer season. Mid March-Mid May...no coons: Turkey season. While on my large track, the attempts to limit coon hunting has been met with cold cold hands, others here have to fight just for the 60 days. The only real problem with this whole thing is lack of hunter education, n movements and habits of his intended prey. A real hunter can and will be sucessful, in any condition, or pressure area. I know in my years, i have been, and my son is also, in areas that others say there are no deer or turkeys. The big thing to be learned by all hunters, is you need to know how to find your prey, before blaming other sportsman's activities for your complete lack of knowledge. Again, this is experience, not just talk. Happens all the time on our tracks. There is no game is all you can hear, and its because of coon dogs. Funny how those of us that do both types of hunting, along with coon hunting, are always sucessful, to the dis-belief of the ones who complain. YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO HUNT, BEFORE YOU WILL BE SUCESSFUL. ok..soapbox session done.

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I'm extremely lucky where I hunt. The place is managed for quail. Everything else is not secondary, it's thirdary. The deer club there pays good money but luckily, they are the traditional dog drive hunters. The deer season comes in August1 but I don't start till the gators go in, usually up in October. Every now and then I hear of a new member complaining of me coon hunting during deer season. Nornally the club straightens him out and I don't hear about it. But sometimes one complains to the manager instead and the manager tells him he is there for a reason called bird gardens and I am there for a reason called nests.

I have my favorite 20 to 30 acre spots that back up to the marsh which probably isn't where they drive anyway. They normally take about 500 acre drives to get all the standers put out. If I go on Saturday night I wait until about 9 to make sure they have their dogs caught up and then I listen before I turn loose. If I hunt on Friday night I make sure I don't leave a dog, especially a young dog, cause I don't want one taking up with a deer runner.

I'm also lucky that the gators come out just before turkey season so I don't have to deal with that. In thirty years, and turkeys are thick now compared to then, The dogs have treed twice on a tree that had a turkey in it. One had a hollow and the other was slick. Maybe that was a layup turkey! Both of those turkeys stayed put. Two times I have treed with a buzzard or two but when I shot the coon the buzzards flew off. About a half dozen other times I have heard wings flapping. I don't know what they were but one time I found a dead deer nearby.

About twenty years ago I read some law material about the difference in a "leasee" and an "invitee" and a "trespassor" It was pretty plain that a leasee was to be awarded more concideration as regards to "safety and comfort" on the property such as divulging that there is an open well etc. An invitee and a trespassor were pretty much treated with regards to you take it as you find it, if my memory serves.

A hunting rights lease is pretty broad. It might be interpreted to include hunting mushrooms and arrowheads. A turkey lease is very narrow whereby the deer and any other rights are retained. If the leasee tells you to stay off, that's one thing. If the owner tells you to stay off that means stay off.

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zero!! Anyone that says different doesn't know there A$$ from a hole in the ground!

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I believe alot of the people complaining arent really good at calling turkeys or scouting for deer so they have to blame it on something or someone.
I go through it all the time in my deer club, the guys who kill alot of deer are always asking me where I see deer at night and they hunt accordingly. The guys who wouldnt know an acorn from a lugnut complain that Im running all the game away and they dont kill anything.
I believe the Real Hunters are going to take game regardless because they do their homework.

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i live in sc low country and i deal with it a lot and it can be a pain in the butt i have deer hunted with dogs but thats about gone around here its all gone to still hunting and out of state hunters that cry when we try to coon hunt now and it will not hurt turkey hunting but they cry about that too

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You let me bust a flock up at night and watch me go back the next morning and kill the big boy! I've done it.. The ones that dont coon hunt just cant figure it out..In one of my clubs this year...Just take a guess at what one and only member has killed a turkey..Yep the coon hunter LOL......You cant tell these non coon hunters anything though..I've almost stopped trying..I offered one group 1000 dollars to let me turkey and coon hunt not during deer season..Thats twice what they pay but they said no deal..I hate it to cause its the best coonhunting around here..I was lucky enough to hunt it for years and then my whole club got the boot

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