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A society without morals and a sound monetary policy will be short lived. Without morality, you cannot sustain a nuclear family, and thus you have no facilities in which to maintain a culture. Without sound monetary policy, there is no way to sustain an economy, and thus the livelihoods of a nation’s citizens are destroyed. Unfortunately liberals do not have the ability to understand these concepts, or lack the historical literacy, that our society will implode from within or be subdued from abroad.

Socialism, Central Banking, and the Welfare State all exist to serve each other. You cannot have those three entities and have a Republic which respects Individual Liberty, Property Rights, and Limited Government. It is impossible for these two forms of government to exist simultaneously. What good is financial security if you are a slave? A government extravagant enough to give you everything you need is powerful enough to extract everything you have. It is impossible for me to understand America’s infatuation with the Welfare State. Where did these ideas come from? I almost forgot – seventy years of Socialist policies which began with Franklin Roosevelt, have been celebrated since their inception, not only by those who received welfare from the State, but also from the media and public education… which proclaimed this man and his Socialism a god.

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It could be argued that the erosion to sound monetary policy, in many ways, led to the erosion of individual morality. The desire to raise our children with principles should always supersede the type of car that we drive, the house we live in, or the neighborhood we live in. Our principles that we instill – should always supersede the value we place on money. Socialism and the Welfare State will always follow in the footsteps of Economic Freedom and Prosperity. If you begin your society with Socialism and a Welfare State then Prosperity would never be achieved. Economic Freedom always leads to Prosperity, and it is after Prosperity is achieved, that politicians begin the propaganda of class envy, Democracy, and the Redistribution of Wealth.

America has enjoyed unprecedented levels of prosperity in the last seventy years. Our economic health, artificially inflated by central banking, grew much faster than it should. By removing the U.S. Dollar from a gold standard, and thereby removing reasonable restrictions to the creation of credit, national and personal wealth was grossly inflated. This led to the creation of subsidies, a welfare state, a tyrannical Federal Government, and a serious decline to individual and national morality. Whether or not this will absolve the Union in 2010 remains to be seen.

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rob, i know you know, and i know you know i know.

the ROOT is the roots of the socialist/redistributionist STATE. minimum "wage" laws, the beginning of the social engineering monkeyshine, is the destruction of the monetary base in an arbitrary fashion. a "solid" monetary system cannot EVER exist when the basic unit of "value", the actual production of one man's labor hour, is arbitrarily set. all pricing and estimates of value then become TOTALLY subjective, sending distortions throughout the ENTIRE system, further serving to deteriorate the monetary system. the gold standard was constraining and imperfect, but when you know 21 dollars= 1oz gold a simple division could be done to get an average "man hours to dig up 1oz", hence come up with a "natural" value base of man labor per hour, and a solid foundation to base the value of everything else to. FDR, the father of federalized communism, took the u.s. off the historical standard, made it illegal to own gold, and then ARBITRARILY(and i mean personally arbitrarily) set daily the gold/dollar exchange rate, at the same time manipulating wage and price of goods and services. sound familiar??? it is the ULTIMATE ENEMY of FREEDOM and LIBERTY loving men. it(the gold standard) also tended to be somewhat deflationary, something most governments have historically disliked due to the desire to inflate away their obligations, and also strongly disliked for the deflationary reason by large bankers trying to have steady inflation of the underlying assets to the loans. i know the problem, i know where it originates, what i am unsure of is what the cure is at this point and if there even is one. i'm thinking i might try the tin foil hat, get the alien rays and the communist thought, all in one whack. honestly, it's serious business, but what can a SERF do?

historically, many "new" societies are born of monetary chicanery.

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John, I fear that when the future unfolds many will regret the dream they have been living. Millions of Americans are still hung up on this old idea of individual liberty, property rights, and limited government. I realized just how many there were when Ron Paul received over 1 million votes in the Republican primary. This surprised and impressed me. Will mankind look to themselves for the maintenance of their well being – or will we look to Kings, Monarchs, Dictators, Oppressors and Tyrants?

How can our government punish murder when it endorses the killing of our innocent? How can our government punish theft when it robs us of our wealth and redistributes it to both rich and poor? How can our government ask us to honor its will when it taxes our personal property – thus giving it a higher claim to our land and homes than we have?

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John, I fear that when the future unfolds many will regret the dream they have been living. Millions of Americans are still hung up on this old idea of individual liberty, property rights, and limited government. I realized just how many there were when Ron Paul received over 1 million votes in the Republican primary. This surprised and impressed me. Will mankind look to themselves for the maintenance of their well being – or will we look to Kings, Monarchs, Dictators, Oppressors and Tyrants?

How can our government punish murder when it endorses the killing of our innocent? How can our government punish theft when it robs us of our wealth and redistributes it to both rich and poor? How can our government ask us to honor its will when it taxes our personal property – thus giving it a higher claim to our land and homes than we have?

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Yes John I am as well,that statement was in refrence to all the masses that have been conditioned to the Welfare State.


One of the unforeseen consequences of the civil rights movement was unhinged meddling in our places of business by Local and Federal Government. Civil rights legislation trumps property rights they say. If you own your own business the government has a right to regulate that business. If you work hard, save your money, purchase a building for entrepreneurship, and work hard to insure its success – the government steps in to instruct you how to hire, how to fire, how to manage, how to cook, how to clean, and how to insure a safe work environment.

Civil rights legislation was just the beginning of the government’s involvement in the management of our personal property. Such legislation set the precedent that our government has a higher level of authority in our places of business than we (the owners) have. Modern versions of this legislation can be seen in our tobacco smoke bans, in our cooking oil bans, and our handicap friendly requirements.

How can our government ask us to be color blind when our legislation isn’t? If an alien from outer space came to earth and toured our government’s legislation, one thing would be obvious. The government believes that blacks are inferior in mental ability and ambition. How else can you explain the Liberals never ending obsession with race determined rights? In our country all races seem to struggle and then thrive – with the exception of blacks. Liberals in our country use the taxation of the masses to buy the votes of the African American. The Welfare State, the Great Society, the Community Reinvestment act…. what have these programs given the black community? These programs have destroyed their nuclear families, personal ambition, and individual pride. What can you say of a government that legislates a lower set of standards for an individual based upon the color of their skin? I do not blame the black community… I blame the white dominated government who’ve destroyed their ambitions in the name of charity.

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is building a bomb if we dont destroy there place i dont think nothing will mader becauls if the us dont hit them soon we will see that fire and brinston sooner then we think.i think man will destroy his sealf and it could be soon.david

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Mr Boggs, this post wasnt about foreign affairs, but that said I think we stand a better chance of diverting a war with Iran by backing the goverment opposition. They will soon overcome and the current goverment powers are very worried.
To say that conservatives like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh divide Americans. They never seem to think that their policies and their platform divides anybody. Their platform is simply the way of things, and should be accepted as the status quo (since they control the media it’s easy for them to create this impression). Liberals insist that those who disagree with them are the dividers – never themselves, they never divide anybody. Those who desire private education for their children – they are the dividers. Those who desire coal burning plants and gas guzzlers – they are the dividers. Those who desire limited government – they are the dividers.


And yet in the personal lives of the well known liberal politician – we see that their children attend white private schools. We see that wind and solar technology is wonderful – so long as it’s not where they can see it. We see that hybrids are proclaimed, and yet they refuse to purchase them. We see that government forced charity is desired – but never private individual charity, never their money.

If we have to make an exception for gay marriage (not that government should be in the business of issuing marriage licenses – they should be out of that business) then what about the growing number of Muslims in America? What about their equal treatment under the law? If the Muslim pays taxes, just like the rest of us, then who are we to deny him his equal rights to pursue a non-traditional lifestyle? Who are we to discriminate?

If it’s fair for the gay’s non-traditional lifestyle to achieve legitimacy by obtaining a state endorsed marriage, then why shouldn’t the state equally endorse the Muslim or Mormon who desires more than one wife? Or perhaps, as is poplar in his religion, he should marry a young girl of 8 or 9 years of age. Who are we to discriminate? What’s fair for one non-traditional lifestyle is fair for another. If we’re going to break down thousands of years of bigotry and discrimination – why stop at just gay marriage? By what right do we command ourselves with the legislative authority to discriminate? (sarcasm intended)

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