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Majestic Tree H
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This 1 got a Dbl Dose of Nailor !!

"Saltlicks Pacs-A-Lotto Lip" I guess I should have just Called him Nailor II .. lol Pacs is in Norway with his new owner Hans and by the way the Boys Rigging Badger He has the Nose, Grit and Go of his Great Great Grand Sire ..
Just about everything about him Hollars Nailor .. Exp his Structure
KONG is his Pop. And his Mom has Texas Loto, Nailor and Pac Man.
His Build and Structure has Changed some sence I sent him over Their.

What a Shame he's a 1/4 Bloodhound LOL



"Nocturnal Nailor"

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I guarantee those jowls would crush a badger in half......
Man, he looks a solid as a brick-sh*t house.....

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Holy sh#% he's awesome looking!

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You know the More I look at Nailor and then at Jess's Inseam (Not that I looking too Hard lol.) ..
Well I have a 32" inseam .. And all I know is Nailor had to be atleast a 27" Hound if not abit more !!
Pacs in the Photo above is almost 27"

Heck most all of my hounds are not much bigger than 28"

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VERY good looking!!!!!!! I really like your hounds!!!

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Thank You

Just got this Photo from Norway .

Pac's in Sneak Up and Bite the Badger in the Butt Mode..

Stelth & Camo is the Secret with a 33# Badger lol

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Pac's In Rig Position .. Waiting for a Strike ..

Them Nor'gs Have got to Try the out our Rigging Trucks.



Atleast Hans can Hear Him .. !!

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Just for Ref. this shows just how Big their Badger are ..

Their holding their Ground Dogs ..

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Just got some New pix of "Pac's"

One of his First Treed "Critters" in Norway..

Han's his New owner said he did the Job quick on an old Track and treed within a 1/2 mile ... Sorry no Pix of whats in the Tree !LOL



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good looking dog

I have a granddaughter of Nailor, she is a daughter to Tx Lotto which was a direct son of Nailor. She is a big strong female, wide across the front, big female head, her lbs is 65. She is tripple bred nailor. She will have a litter next month.

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Man....Pac's is solid for sure....
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This is what Happened in this Cross Breeding .. Pac's Mother is 1/2 Bloodhound and 1/2 Texas Lotto to Nailor/Taylors Pac o Pearl to Pac Man.. His Father is Wondo River Kong goes back to Nailor thru Southern Grace.. When every you breed 2 Walkers no matter how Close in relation your Dealing with a Huge inter related Gene Pool. "Unless your working with a Unrelated Branch Line" Their is no way in Hell you can control where the Genetic Pairs will come from or How many Generations they will run to make Common Pairs .. But this does not Accorded in all the Pups in the litter .. Why ?? That I do not know

But This is my thoughts on this Breeding " Yes I got 3 Different Types of Pups" Nearly Pure Walkers, Nearly Pure Bloodhounds and Pups that Homogenized the 2 Genetics..

I believe this Pup/Hound "Pac's" Received nearly Pure Genetics of Nailor and this is what happened .. Instead of Working with 4/4 of Walker Genetics the Bloodhound Genes Deleted 1/4 of the Walker so I was then working with 3/4 of this Huge Walker Gene Pool .. Then again most all of the Bloodhound Genetics was Kicked "To the Curb" in this one Pup .. Then the First Genetics that Paired were nearly Pure Nail or...

Trates are a different Story I believe they come from the Sire and Dam / But Trates and Genetics may Fight Against each other ... But sometimes Everything Lines up (Moon, Stars, Planets) Genetics/Trates.. And that One Great Hound is Born..

The Draw Back is You have to keep these pups together or very close to Evaluate each Pup.

Their was a Branch that happened in the Walker Lines and I call it the "Lipper-Bozo Branch" which lead to Sackett.-Clover Lines (Their were other Distinct Brancehs or Lines like "Dohoney" that when Bred Back to the Main Branch Produced Great Hounds Also). And they actually remained unrelated a good while .. And When ever these two lines were bred together some really great hounds popped up. Because their Genetics were looking for the First Related Pairing to Just before Bozo-Lipper.. """This is Only From My Studies and Maybe I was Seeing Something Wrong"""

Ah Heck I was just in the "Library" and my pea brain Figured out that Off course every Pup in a littler is different !!! Each and every Egg and Sperm Carries a Different DNA that combine that causes each pup to have Different DNA Make up and their are only a few Common (Sire & Dam) in each pup that Identifies then as being Related ..

Sometime I think My Stroke helped !! LOL

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Pac's had he's Runs on Northern European Brown Bear (Big Bear) two weeks ago.. A big Change from Badger ..

Their only Allowed to use 3 Hounds/Dogs per Hunting Party or a Max of 3 per Bear..

These Bear when over 200#s don't Climb Trees, they have to be Held at Bay..

From Hans ...

Well...., I went bearhunting in Sweden last week. It was a four day deal. Had a stomack full of butterflies, but tried to keep my expectations down. We are only alowed to have to hounds at the bear at the time, so I've been training Pac's and Dina my spitzdog to run together. Dina had been in contact with bears alone before, but as far as I know Pac's had never met brown bears before and now the two of them togehter for the first time and nothing, but badgers for training...., the recepy for disaster I guess....

First morning was all about trying to figure out where the bears were at the time. None of us had or have rigging hounds that we could trust, so driving the logging roads looking for crap was the only way to go. We divided the raods amongst us to save time and me and Knut, my Plott running friend went together. After driving the first logging road with no result I said to Knut: "Lets open the doors on my mini van(no jokes about this boys, its only a two seater, so I can bring my hounds, NOT used to drive kids to soccer praktice after school) and see if we cant get some of these hounds to rig. I stopped the car and we opened the doors and drove off to the next logging road. We didnt get that far.... Doing 30 miles an hour, on our way over there, suddenly, like a flick of a swich, Pac's and Quickie(Knuts female Plott) just blew up in the back of my car. I feared they would blow the top of my car off, even with the doors open, with all their howling and I screamed to Knut "Son of a gun, they are rigging a track!!!(I must admit. Even if this was far far from how you guys do it for real, I felt a litle bit "American for a litle while there.) I turned the car out on the shoulder of the road and we jumped out looking for sign of a bear. We could not find any sign, but I told Knut that we had to let the hounds out, at least just to honnour them for rigging.

When we let them go, they went 150 yards back on the road and took a 90 degree turn to the right. There was no doubt, they had a track! After 300 yards the track ende up in a swamp making the hounds have to work some to find the way out. After 2-3 minuter Pac's lined it out, but Quickie was still stuck in there, so I unleashed Dina and she took the short rute to Pac's. - Exactly as I've been hoping she would do. After a couple of hours this turned out to be a red fox, but it was a loads of fun anyways.

After regrouping and getting the hounds back, me and Knut went to the logging road we originally were going earlier in the morning. After a while Pac's started getting uneasy in the dogbox. Not rigging, but there clearly was somthing going on and after just a couple of yards more we found a night fresh crap on the road! Temperatures was starting to rise fast and the humidity from days of rain prior to our hunt was insane. We hurried and unleashed the hounds and Pac's line out the track.

Sadly the bear had gone out of our hunting ground and on to the neighbour.
We freecasted for a couple of hours after, until the temperature became unberable, without any more action.

Around midnight it started to reign and let me tell you, it was like all hell gates opened up. From 00.00-14.00 we had 2 1/4" of rain comming down on us, deluting all scent from that nights tracks.
I didnt want to give in to the conditions, so I freecasted in a blueberryforrest area I believed in and Pac's and Dina found a track they started to cold trail. After four hours of real hard coldtrailing I pulled them of. The track was heading straight for the neighbours huntinggrounds and I didnt want them to use their power for nothing.

Late evening second day the rain stopped and we got a beutiful night, with a couple of beers, good stories from earlier hunts and a LOT of thoughts about bearhounds.

Third day I went out while it still was dark. We drove logging roads up and down without any signs of bear. I felt kind of down, I knew the bears were there somewhere, but could not find a starting point. After some consideration, I decided to go as far east in our piece of land as I could, with a plan to freecast westwards as far as I could get, before I had to give in to the temperature and the humidity. Another friend of mine Odd tagged along with his two young dogs, more or less just for the company.
We had to cross a huge logged slope at first, so I kept Pac's and Dina in the leash. Didnt want them to start a trash race on a moose, that could have been feeding there during the morning hours. 200 yards from the top of the slope Pac's winded a track. He went balistic, to say the least. There was no way I could restrain him. He smelled something he really wanted to catch. 3 yards into the forrest he put his nose down in a beartrack and if he wasnt crazy before, hes whent crazy at that time..... 94 pounds of pure muscle standing on his hind leggs using all his power to go in one direction is hard to handle I had to put my knee in his back and squese him into the ground to get the leash off and when he was free he opened up in a 7 second long bawl!!! I must admit, the feeling I got there deep in the Swedish forrest, with a hound showing all that desire to go and catch a bear left me speechless......., I was so out of it that I forgot Dina, that still was in the leash. I could not gather my self before Odd asked me if Dina wasnt going to get into the fun and she was pretty eager to go to!
After about 600 yards, the hounds were at the jump and if that first bawl Pac's let out after beeing released was long, I swear the one that he howled out at the jump, seemed never to stop. After 400 yards Dina and Pac's had the bear bayed. Odd and I keept the pace up and soon was only 200 yards from it. We could hear both hounds and the bear, there was no doubt this was a nast bear. Growling and hissing from the bear and chopping from the hounds. I bet Dina was up to about 200 barks per minute! After 7-8 minutes something happened. I heard Dina squeal and everything went silent. I could tell by my garmin astro, that the hounds were still in the same area, but not making a sound. I sounded to me like the bear attacked the hounds or they tried the "badger method" on it, with not much luck... After about a minute Pac's sounded of again and the race was on.
They were going a bit north of two shooters we had put out there, so I contacted them on the short wave radio, telling them to move north. Not long after moving to where I told them, they could hear the hounds. Theywere approaching in a lightenning speed. Short before they came to the road the shooters were standing on, they bayed up the bear in a biggrown spruce section and the shooters reported that back too me. I told them to get the f... in there and kill the bear since I had 6-7 miles of knee deep swamp between me and the bayup. They started to close in when the bayup broke into a walking bayup nothwards into some nasty, leaf forrest **** with zero sight.... They reported again and once over I told them, with eaven tougher language, to get in on the bayup and kill the bear before my hounds got tired and lost consentration and by that might get hurt.
That was the last I heard. Tried getting them on the radio and everything, but all was silent.... I had a bad feeling in my stomack wading back to my car. After driving back, I met them were the bay up had been sitting in their truck, kind of pale. Their explanation to why they hadnt gone into the brush where the bay up was, and I quote: "There was no way into the brush...." That lit me up in a way I cant remeber I've been before in my short while. There they had been. Sitting in the cottage for three nights drinking whiskey and talking about their biggest hunting dream beeing shooting a brown Scandinavian bear bayed up by hounds and when it was handed down to them on a silver platter, they could not find a way throug the forrest...... - I told them right there and then to get the f... back to where they came from and go sit by their kichen window and shoot squirrels on their birdfeeder with their .22s and if that got scary they should buy a 18x scope and put their guns so they didnt have to get so close!
I didnt see them after that.... They rented a cottage outside the nearest town and next morning they drove home without letting the rest of us know. GOOD riddens if you ask me.
We later found Dina and Pac's at the far, far west side of our hunting grounds exhauste on a road. I guess they left the bear somewhere around there, after somthing about 6-7 hours on the bear. Mind you, their first ecounter togheter with a brown one.

Con't

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Part II

Fourth morning arised with nice weather, but not to much to go on bearwice. After some loggingroad checking, I got fedup and went back to the area we found the bear the day before. I started out a bit north of where we found it earlier, hoping it had wandred back during night. After 20 minutes of cold trailing, I saw on my astro that Dina started out with some paste in a direction. Pac's was out in search to my right, but was left, so I just waited there expecting him to come over to my left and letting me know if there was something interresting. A short bawl ensured me that something was up. Pac's picked up paste and soon teamed up with Dina cold trailing. The problem was that they were on the neighbours ground..... After 20 minutes, with bawls from Pac's getting closer and closer, the jump bawl came and chills came down my spine again. What a wonderful feeling
The race was going with tremendeus speed for 3-4 miles before they bayed it up the first time. By now it was clear that this bear was never going to come back to us, so I went back to my car, drove closer, left my gun in the car and just walked closer to the bayup.

The next four hours was a ever cange between bayups and walking bayups. The track told us that this was a pretty big bear in the 440-550 pounds range, so even if the houds couldnt keep him bayed for hours at on place, I was pleased with their actions, considering this was their second encounter with a brown bear. After four hours the bear had had enough and jumped in a big river, the hounds quit there and I was glad. Real bearhounds would probably kept on going, but the river was 70-80 yards wide with a real strong current and lots of big rocks.

I had a real good time over there. My hounds did far far more than I ever deared to dream of before the hunt and it was not their foult that we did not get any bear!
Thanks again Steve, for giving me the chance to experience such a hound as Pac's, he's just the real deal....

Happy hunting,
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Majestic Tree Hound.

Very nice looking hound, and great pictures and stories.
I really respect the fact that you get creative with your breeding of hounds, Keep it up. I like a man that breeds hounds for real hunting. Keep up the good work.

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Phewwww!

I'm tired out reading those hunting days! Sounds like a lot of work and fun!
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Thanks for the story Steve.......Han's definitely has a great one there.....
Pac's is a Machine......Man I love that dog.....
I'm hoping my Harlee shows the same drive, as they have some "relative" genetics....
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Majestic Tree H thanks for the reading enjoyed it I also like the way you try diff. things in your dog breeding keep trying.THANKS OAKS.

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New Adventure's of Pac's in Norway !!

From Han's

Well, catseason opens in 55 minutes.
I found a cattrack and made a ring around it tonight, so I know where I'm going to start tomorrow. Sad though, that the snow is 5 feet deep and bottomless...., I dont expect much... But it'll be fun to start the dawgs on that cat and see how it turns out.

Next Day

Well, I'll tell you what Steve, snowshoes wouldnt help the least bit. I used 36" snowshoes yesterday and waded with snow above my knees the whole day.... An Oxygen tank and a mask would be more suited, my dogs had to swim through the ****
On top of this it was freezing cold, so cold that my camera and my cellphone stopped working....

So to the hunt.
I soon found out that the cat had left the ring in the least favourable direction possible. It was headed straight into the deep mountains, no roads and were not allowed to use snowmobiles. After checking a few checkpoints I just figured it was time to try something. I tried keeping the track a litle sekret to awoid to many hunters joining in, or shooters as we call them, but they figured out that I was up to something, so I was joined by some gunslingers
I climbed to the top of the mouintain and there another smaller cat had walked into the area in question. It was decided to run this cat and it ran straight down on a shooter and got killed. Nothing to mentione dogwice, but we had cought a cat under impossible conditions.
After gathering up the dogs and climbed back up, I freecasted the dogs in the direction the first cat had moved and not to long after Pacs opened! Pacs and Dina cold trailed, or cold swam I might say, for about 2,5 miles and then they jumped the cat!!! I was standing high above them, on the "edge" of the mountain, so I could see them in my binoculars going downwards after the cat and let me tell you, they looked like otters sliding down that insanely steep, boulder packed mountainside. The cat was bayed to short times, about 8-10 minutes, but the deep snow, 9' boulders and only two dogs made it impossible for them to keep enough preassure on the cat to keep it there and I think I'm glad, because I'm not shure I could have made it down there.... After this the cat jumped down a couple of cliffs, that the dogs had to go around, so the distance between the dogs and the cat increased. Not to long after the cat ran straight on to a shooter and got killed there. A friend of mine was there when the dogs arriwed, so they were praised and give a load of positive words.
So we got two cats in one day, never done here before to my knowledge, but I'm very very sad to say that both cats were killed running..... On the other hand, I'm going to run them under better conditions and then I think the odds could be changed...

Thanks again Steve, for giving me the chance to run such a hound as Pacs, he has given me more good times in the woods than I ever deared to dream of.

- No pictures as of yet, since my camera and cellphone gave in to the conditions. I'll see if some of the other hunters took some I can post later.

Hans

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One other Recived about a month ago..

Never thought I'd experience this, but my "duo" just cought and streched a red fox today. I thought them red ones went under ground at the first sighn of preasure, but it looks like this stupid bugger thought he could fight of a huge chunk of US dynamite....., well his loss..

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Pac's is the man.....aint nothing safe in the woods with him around !!!!

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Well the Nor'gs and Sweds are Running bear again !!! Pacs has had quite a layup other than a Few Badger and Such..

New Email from Han's ... Sounds like Pac's is really pouring it on..

Hi Steve!
Went on our opening four day bearhunt last friday. Conditions were bad. No berries in the area we hunt, had made all grown bears migrate westwards towards the Norwegian border where there are berries. Had two races after small nike bears. Let me tell you, them rascalls ran like something I've never seen before. Monday afternoon I had the pleasure to go with two experienced Swedes to the neightboring hunting ground. Pacs found a racer there and them dogs ran that bear so fast, that them Swedes couldnt keep up with the race in their truck...... After 17 miles(the way the bird flies) the bear crossed over the road in front of the truck with Pacs 50 yards behind it. They stopped him there, since they were far outside legal ground. Also had a "ruler on the map" race on a small bear on the east side of our ground. Pacs and Dina crosse an insane river two times on that rase and they ran at least 18-20 miles after that bear before I stopped them. - I can see now that the spitzdog is the weak link on this kind of races, She havent got enought "stick with" so Pacs is left alone when them bears run to far to fast without contact.

Great picture you posted on the "GGSxSugarcreek" tread on BGH, by the way. Very good looking hounds you got there and obviously there is some hunt in them too.


Hans

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That is good news from Hans, Steve. I have been waiting to here about Pac. Have they found a good female to breed him with yet?

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Cindy I don't think Hans has allowed any breeding on him yet. I know that several Plott owner have ask about him for breeding .

Hans will be having troubles running him this year tho, The Nor'gs have changed the Hound laws and Don't like Open Trailers to be used on game .. Go Figgure !!

But the Sweds sure like him !!!

When your only allowed to Run 2-3 Dogs on a 200-600# Bear that don't climb trees and needs to be held at bay on the ground its right tough Hounding !!

Like Hans was saying in his Email, Pac's is usualy way out their on his own trying to hold those bear ..

And THEY ARE REALLY BIG BEAR !!!!!

This is a Trail Cam Pic from Hans "I can't believe its been 2 years since Han's and I started work on getting Pac's to him" !!

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