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Dog C is struck and treed on the way to the tree dog A comes into tree and is struck and treed dog B is never struck or treed. When we get to the tree dogs A and B are treeing dog C is no where around and takes minus for leaving tree, Dog A is on a circle tree the qustion is what happens to dog B? The MOH ended up scratching this dog for the handler not striking his dog.

What should have happened in this situation?

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Dog C -125
Dog A delete strike circle 75 tree
Dog B assigned 50 strike and then minused for not calling on or after 3rd bark.

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i do beleive dan reuter is coorect in his answer.

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the big ? is did dog c tree the wrong dog the answer is no 1st offence 2nd offence yes I think

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dog A= circle strike and tree. no longer deleted.
dog B= assign 50 and minus. scratched next offense.
dog C= 125-

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I agree with Cody.
Mr Rueter, why did you delete dog A's strike?

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Jim , is dog A's strike scoreable since the dog that shut him out has left ,,or are you calling it a differant tree?

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dog A= circle strike and tree. no longer deleted.
dog B= assign 50 and minus. scratched next offense.
dog C= 125-

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I agree with Cody.
Mr Rueter, why did you delete dog A's strike?

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if you give dog a his strike points then you must move his tree points up to 125 and we all know that is not happening. I agree with Dan

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Big question, was the 5 up?
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it was a circle tree there were no coon seen. Dog C would get minus for leaving the tree and if it is no where to be found then put the 8 on dog C. Dog A which you say is a circle tree gets his circle points. Far as scratching dog B MOH had no right in doing. The handler should have gotten a warning for not calling his dog and he should have not received any minus since it was a circle tree. To me I give him next spot on the tree and draw line through it nothing was seen. If there would have been a coon seen he would have received his minus. Handler still warned for not calling his dog. I maybe wrong be and if I am I am sure you pro's will tell me.

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You can't be shut out by a dog that has left the tree. For one thing, you have no way of knowing if dog A covered the shutout tree because dog C left. So you can't delete Dog A's strike.

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You can't be shut out by a dog that has left the tree. For one thing, you have no way of knowing if dog A covered the shutout tree because dog C left. So you can't delete Dog A's strike.

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You can't move the tree points up for the same reason you can't consider dog A shutout.......because you don't know where dog C was treed. You don't know because he left before they ever got to him. For all we know he was never even treed. Saying "tree Dog A" doesn't mean dog is treed, it just means his handler has declared him treed.

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the only way a dogs strike stays deleted is if he is treed with the dog that shut him out. in this case he is not with that dog so his strike is scored

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Far as scratching dog B MOH had no right in doing. The handler should have gotten a warning for not calling his dog and he should have not received any minus since it was a circle tree. To me I give him next spot on the tree and draw line through it nothing was seen. If there would have been a coon seen he would have received his minus. Handler still warned for not calling his dog. I maybe wrong be and if I am I am sure you pro's will tell me.

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Could be the wrong dog was struck & treed in the very beginning.
But I realize that wasn't the question here - the description at the tree raises that possibility though.

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It took us almost 15 minutes to get to the tree, so the 5 was up. Dog C was treed and IMHO run off the tree but I can't prove this, she has a uncommon tree bark and was heard by more than just the handler (me) on the tree, the judge also heard her or said he did any how.

Dogs A and B where split about 20 yards apart, dog B had a coon and dog A was circled.

This call from the MOH cost the guy with the B dog a NiteCh win, witch went to dog A.

The 8 was put on Dog C, she opened up and the other 2 dogs where cut back to her. Dogs C and A ended up on another circle tree (I hate leave's on trees smaller tree's).

This whole cast was messed up IMHO right from the get go. The judge walked over an hour of hunt time off going to split tree's. I Believe time out should have been called going from 1 tree to the next.

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You can't move the tree points up for the same reason you can't consider dog A shutout.......because you don't know where dog C was treed. You don't know because he left before they ever got to him. For all we know he was never even treed. Saying "tree Dog A" doesn't mean dog is treed, it just means his handler has declared him treed.

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Rance 56 makes a good point , but what Jim is saying is you have to judge on what you ''know '' for sure..

The dog that had 1st tree is now gone , so the shut out dogs strike points now count. The 1st treed dog is not at the tree , this we know for sure..

The reason the tree points are not moved up is because we dont '' know'' for sure which tree the 1st treed dog was on...

I hope that helps.. lol.. It does seem like a contradiction.. lol

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I was thinking about getting into the comp hunts soon because I've got a couple hounds that I think could do the job (I have always been a pleasure hunter). But it's stuff like this that makes me think twice about getting into it...LOL!!

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I was thinking about getting into the comp hunts soon because I've got a couple hounds that I think could do the job (I have always been a pleasure hunter). But it's stuff like this that makes me think twice about getting into it...LOL!!

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very well put dale

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I've always said the comp hunts aren't for eveyone. If you are the type that is going in there expecting a problem, you will very likely have a problem. I like to sit in the clubhouse and watch the casts come back. Did it a couple hours last Saturday at an RQE. It was a typical hunt, 99% walked in with a smile even though 75% of them got beat.
I would love to be able to hunt in every state just to see if it is that way everywhere. I'm betting it is.

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