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swampbottom
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How is the new rule about recasting written in the rule book? We had a question on a cast last weekend about this.

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Taken from here. http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/...2009RuleChanges

Proposal 4 - Passed. Rule 11
This proposal passed with four (4) yes votes, one (1) yes with an amendment, one (1) no, and one abstained vote. Quite frankly, there are several concerned rule experts mostly due from a “what if” perspective relative to the “option” factor in this proposal. Nonetheless, it passed and like other changes of the past that came with concerns, they usually work out substantially better than negative predictions of the opposition.

This change deals with Rule 11 when it comes to re-casting to dogs out trailing after a tree has been scored. The current rule does not allow for dogs to be re-cast if there is one or more dog declared treed prior to re-casting. The new rule will now allow it to be the handler’s option to turn back in to a dog on trail or not. Obviously, this would only be an option if there is at least one dog that is declared struck still trailing. If all dogs are declared treed the handler could not re-cast. Likewise, if no dogs are declared treed then not turning back in would not be an option (it would be required).

A portion of Rule 11 has been changed to read as follows: (After five minutes, first dog’s tree may be checked and that dog kept on leash until tree is scored, then he must be turned loose with other dogs that are opening on trail and will receive 25 points credit or discredit as deserved, or next available position. However, if dog[s] are already treed, handlers have the option to release dog[s] so long as at least one dog is still out trailing.)

Here’s a scenario/example of this rule. A, B, C and D are declared struck. Dog A and B are declared treed. Tree time is up and the cast scores the tree while D and C are still out trailing. While the tree is being scored, or sometime prior to recasting dogs A and B, dog C is declared treed. Dog D is still trailing. Since Dog D is still trailing, it is now the handlers’ option (Dog A and B) on whether each of them choose to re-cast or not. One handler may in fact choose to re-cast while the other does not. That is their choice. However, at the point when the handler makes the decision to turn back in or not their decision at that point is what they are stuck with. Should a handler choose the option to not turn loose then at no other point could they change their mind and turn back in. That is, until the next opportunity arises to cast or re-cast their dog.

Using the above situation as an example with one exception, let’s say handler A opted to turn back loose to Dog D while handler B opted to keep his dog on the leash. Before the tree time expired on Dog C, or before the dog is handled at the tree, it leaves the tree and is minused. In this scenario, Dog B would now have to be turned back in and could not be on leash any longer.

This rule change could, and in many cases will, add more handling expertise on the part of the handler to the equation in UKC nite hunts. It will certainly be interesting to see how decisions on this “option” will have an effect on a cast. It’s arguably the biggest or most talked about change of the rules.

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Thank for the info. If dogs A,B,C & D are struck in and A & B are treed. After the 5 you go in and score the tree. Meanwhile dog C becomes treed so therefore you have the option to recast A & B. A is recast and B is not if A gets to dog C tree before the 5 is up does he get credit since he was cast back to dog D?

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yes he does get to score tree only cause he was shut out on strike gets scored same way if he gets there after 5 coon seen minused

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