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Kenny Gates
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Definition of a Deep Hunter

I’m just curious what your def is of a dog that hunts deep

Mine:

Deep - Mile or more

Medium- ¾-¼ mile

Close - 200 yards or closer


Of coarse I understand that terrain makes a difference, along with how hard the dog is being hunted, but I’m talking about flat to rolling hills and hunted about 4 times a week.


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Deep means when the dog has hunted out and nothing is moving ... he keeps looking because his hunt drive won't let him stop .

Alot of dogs might open deep or get deep , but they are sniffing game or can tell it's a good night ... not many dogs will hammer at it and honestly get deep without reason.

But for the record .. we hunt mostly mile sections or 1x2 mile sections .... so if a dog hits a road and decides to keep hunting instead of coming back or running the road ... then he's what I'd call a deep hunter .

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I know people say there dogs get treed a mile at times. I just cant see it around here. If you go a mile around here, the dog for sure passed up a coon along the way, if not a dozen. I hunt pretty regular with a dog that get treed say a half mile away and that feels like he is as deep as possible!

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Well deep hunter to me means Striking out of hearing on a regular basis, and not being able to finish the hunt without the use of a tracking system.
Find a signal, get in the truck, drive as close as you can, and walk to the tree.

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were

were im hunting at now you cant have a deep hunting dofg unless hes passing up tracks or its just a flat out bad night. My dog used to be a deep hunter when i hunted in west virginia now that im in ms he'll find a good track in less than a 1/4 mile every time i take him. But yes a deep hunter would be a dog that goes more than a 1/2 mile to find a track on a night nothin is stiring. I cal a dog that goes more than 1/2 mile before striking around here an idiot cause i know dam well he passed up 2 or 3 tracks just cause he wasnt payin attention and he just wanted to run!

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I used To have a deep hunting dog.You gave him 20 mins and if you didn't hear him open you pulled out the tracker cause you where going to need it.

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quote:
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I know people say there dogs get treed a mile at times. I just cant see it around here. If you go a mile around here, the dog for sure passed up a coon along the way, if not a dozen. I hunt pretty regular with a dog that get treed say a half mile away and that feels like he is as deep as possible!


come on here,this time of year a mile is pretty common.thin coons and mts. can make for some long walks.LOL

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come on here,this time of year a mile is pretty common.thin coons and mts. can make for some long walks.LOL
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come on here,this time of year a mile is pretty common.thin coons and mts. can make for some long walks.LOL


Come on up for a hunt Sam. The grandson and I went out tonight. Treed 2 and only got about 1/4 mile off the road. Pretty rough stuff ! LOL

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Re: Definition of a Deep Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by Kenny Gates
I’m just curious what your def is of a dog that hunts deep

Mine:

Deep - Mile or more

Medium- ¾-¼ mile

Close - 200 yards or closer


Of coarse I understand that terrain makes a difference, along with how hard the dog is being hunted, but I’m talking about flat to rolling hills and hunted about 4 times a week.


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Kevin Self
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
Well deep hunter to me means Striking out of hearing on a regular basis, and not being able to finish the hunt without the use of a tracking system.
Find a signal, get in the truck, drive as close as you can, and walk to the tree.

Striking out of hearing on a REGULAR basis to me would be a dog that didn't hunt quick. Enough. One that done alot of running before settling down and getting down to business.


Deep to me would be one that dont come back and gets treed somewhere everydrop no matter what it takes.

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Come on up for a hunt Sam. The grandson and I went out tonight. Treed 2 and only got about 1/4 mile off the road. Pretty rough stuff ! LOL


sounds ruff,lol.Id take 1/4 mile all night long here.Summer time and the cubs get on the ground it aint to bad here.But early spring sucks.

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Deep hunter to me is one that dont come back at all..You pull it off a tree or cut it off somewhere..Dont know about the other 2 kinds..Dont hunt deep around here they are useless

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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Self
Striking out of hearing on a REGULAR basis to me would be a dog that didn't hunt quick. Enough. One that done alot of running before settling down and getting down to business.


Deep to me would be one that dont come back and gets treed somewhere everydrop no matter what it takes.



Kevin, that's true in some places, but absolutely not true in others. I have no doubt that is true where you hunt.

Here where I am now that would be true, strike out of hearing occasionally but most of the time since there are so many more coon they get struck in hearing.

Back home it's like GaDawg is talking about. It's a regular thing to get struck out of hearing. If your dog won't hunt deep enough and hard enough for that to happen your dog won't be makin many trees there. Coon are real thin, country real rough.

I have the same dog here as I did there, same dog that consistantly struck out of hearing there consistantly strikes and trees within a quarter here. Same dog, different territory.

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I've had times where I thought coon were thing , or a certain places was jynxed ... but the truth is , if you are hunting where there is coon sign and your dog is being honest then they should strike within hearing most of the time.

You could be hunting on the moon , but if there were coon tracks and food/water/shelter where you cut loose .... the dogs should most often strike within hearing .

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I had a hunting buddy who's dog got deep. he would go a mile maybe two. before he would start to hunt. im happy that sob don't hunt know more............

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quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
I've had times where I thought coon were thing , or a certain places was jynxed ... but the truth is , if you are hunting where there is coon sign and your dog is being honest then they should strike within hearing most of the time.

You could be hunting on the moon , but if there were coon tracks and food/water/shelter where you cut loose .... the dogs should most often strike within hearing .



What you don't seem to get is there are areas of the country where there ISN'T the population for dogs to be striking within hearing.

Like I said, I have the same dog different territory/coon population. Where I used to live she struck out of hearing regularly, not because she was doing anything different then than now, but because there were very few coons there. I put out a feeder bucket to help with training her when she was a pup, the area of woods is about 10 square miles or so roughly. I put it on a creek that runs year round. It took TWO WEEKS to get a coon to find that feeder and another week or two before he was using it regular. One coon. The coon population was just that thin there. I lived there for several years. Never had a problem with her striking out of hearing when I drove an hour or so to an area with more coon, but where I lived coon were very few and far between and you had to have a dog that would hunt deep to consistantly tree coons there.

Now my dog still does the same things, still hunts the same way, but consistantly not only strikes but strikes and trees within a quarter. Same dog, more coon. If she could have struck and treed within a quarter where I used to live she would, but the coons were so thin many times she was out for 45 minutes or an hour before they ever came across a track to run.

There are plenty of areas in the country that if a dog strikes out of hearing it passed over coon. But there are also areas of the country where if you don't have a dog that hunts for an hour or so you won't be treeing many coon. It's just that simple.

Don't make the mistake of assuming what happens in your area is universal.

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IMO it has nothing at all to do with distance.

A deep hunting dog hunts hard and fast to get treed.

One night it might get treed 20 feet off the road all night the next might be 2 miles, depending on conditions.

A dog that has to run 2 miles before it starts hunting is just a poor dog.

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Rip is right

Can be the very same way here except when corn & cherries are in. I absolutley have to have a deep wide hunter here in winter. Rut sure helps here in wintertime also. If they wont get deep here when needed you won't be making many trees. It's nice though when you do on occasion tree the close one when you are lucky enough. To me a sure enough coondog does whatever it takes to tree a coon, but it sure is nice when hunting up north to tree coon in what I consider right on top of you(a quarter of a mile or less). If they aren't moving let's say because of a severe cold front mine will go as deep as needed & always have& i absolutley do not expect less of them. I like a dog that hunts every inch of what they're turned loose in if needed & if they don't someone else will own them simply because they want a dog here that will handle & be in the box a lot of times when mine tree coon in winter. Summertime different story though & they usually hold their own. Mine will regurlarly go a mile or more in winter(by gps) on any given night.

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I agree that a 'broke' dog going 2 miles before settling in to hunt is not wat I want 2 feed, but I have seen many young dogs do it if hunted together. Those same 2 young dogs taken out by themselves will hunt a lot closer and be much more enjoyable.

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quote:
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IMO it has nothing at all to do with distance.

A deep hunting dog hunts hard and fast to get treed.

One night it might get treed 20 feet off the road all night the next might be 2 miles, depending on conditions.

A dog that has to run 2 miles before it starts hunting is just a poor dog.



I agree....nothing to do with distance but how the dog hunts. If he hunts out the woods and doesn't find something he keeps going till he does. The dog shouldn't be going far just to go far......

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Well here in NC Mountain Country, a dog can get hiself in trouble going more than half a mile because us fat boys got HARD walking to do. But sometimes here they have to go that far to tree one.

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i hunt 4 to 5 times a week and close for my dog is 1 to sometimes 4 miles in flatlands (south carolina) we use garmin around me and have alot of roads

deep- 7 miles
medium- 5miles

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deep is when it gets dark at 10,takes 2 hrs to tree
hr drive home another hr to take care of the dogs
and get in bed that makes it 2.you get 3hrs sleep,
how much more do you need?
close to med is 1 that will tree ever 200yrds and
you can lie to your self may have been 1 there when
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Deep hunter to me is one that dont come back at all..You pull it off a tree or cut it off somewhere..Dont know about the other 2 kinds..Dont hunt deep around here they are useless



i agree with the man from north ga.

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