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to have the right to earn proformance money?

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To have a Proformance sire you have to have him DNA The gyp dont need to be DNA so what real reason is there for DNA the sire?I think both should be DNA the pups that are Paid up in the proformance program should be DNA

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THE DIS-HONEST PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD HONEST. THERFORE WE COULD BELIEVE THE PEDIGREE LISTED AS SHOWN INSTEAD OF WONDERING WHAT SET OF PAPERS WAS PUT ON A HOUND TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD PEDIGREE WISE.


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THIS IS ONLY ACCEPTABLE IF THE "DOIN" PART IS A RESULT OF A QUALITY BREEDING PROGRAM THAT HAS YIELDED "TRUE" AND HONEST SUCCESS.

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Microchip each dog then have a scanner at the hunt

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Who's going to foot the bill for all these scanners?

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THE MALES AND FEMALES SHOULD DNA

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Would prevent a lot of paper swapping and useless dogs mysteriously getting titled when they never saw a coon a day in their lives.

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I never thought of DNA for the females to. Great idea. I dont know why ukc would not like it more money in there pockets.

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do it like pkc and do the mouth swab. if you get in the money at a big hunt they swab your dogs mouth before you get your money and ukc should do the same thing

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Let's see some numbers to assess the threat or reality of paper switching vs. the cost and time of dna'ing and mircrochipping all our dogs .

Facts sway and hard work makes things happen ... yall want us to dna and microcheap .. because ????


Just how much policing do we want to do ? I don't see much paperswitching or hear about it ... the only thing I see is or would be folks falsifying b-days on pups that are born in December to studs that aren't yet in the program ... no telling how many early Jan pups were really born in December .. but , do i really care ?

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Mr jones, Isaacs, Cowan, Maniac, Reds4Me, Eastman, tnmountain coon............is every UKC reg dog in your kennel DNA profiled now? Yah now, if you guys are really in favor of this, then DO IT! You don't need a rule to require DNA, you can require yourself. Do you?


I own 5 Walkers in my kennel right now and every one of them is DNA profiled with both PKC and UKC. I don't need no more rules.

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Maybe I am just being naive, but I believe there a lot more honest people out there then dishonest. Why should the honest houndsman/or woman be penalized for the dishonest no goods?

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I have only one and yes he is!If i had 10 they all would be.What i am trying to say is i think with the sire having to be dna the female should also or what good does it do to have the sire dna for the prof prog.There are alot of guys winning prof money that may or maynot be hunting the right dog.You may say this dont happen but it does and we all know it.It may just make a few more honest people due to the fact they may have to have there hound swabed at the hunt.If we have PKC super stakes pup that we have to have profiled for the super stakes why not just send it to ukc also.I dont think every one should have theres Dna only the ones that are prof PAID.

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Jim , the guys that want mandatory dna either just have one or two dogs .... or they are hypocrites.

Let's see a proposal with the benefits to us hunters layed out .. show me where you implemented your idea in real kennels and what the results were .

That's the method you use to get things done ... if coonhunters' logic was used in the real world .. we'd still be dreaming about light bulbs instead of using them .

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Any dog we will use for breeding is DNA'd and all of my personal dogs are also microchipped and tatooed, both of which are noted on their UKC registration papers. We have some tire kickers that aren't DNA profiled, but they aren't competed or bred, so what does it matter?

Kate

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Mr jones, Isaacs, Cowan, Maniac, Reds4Me, Eastman, tnmountain coon............is every UKC reg dog in your kennel DNA profiled now? Yah now, if you guys are really in favor of this, then DO IT! You don't need a rule to require DNA, you can require yourself. Do you?


I own 5 Walkers in my kennel right now and every one of them is DNA profiled with both PKC and UKC. I don't need no more rules.

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I think they should be DNA'd before registering a litter out of them, like PKC.

One of my dogs is DNA'd with UKC/PKC, and my pup will be DNA'd if she makes a coondog.

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Mr jones, Isaacs, Cowan, Maniac, Reds4Me, Eastman, tnmountain coon............is every UKC reg dog in your kennel DNA profiled now? Yah now, if you guys are really in favor of this, then DO IT! You don't need a rule to require DNA, you can require yourself. Do you?


I own 5 Walkers in my kennel right now and every one of them is DNA profiled with both PKC and UKC. I don't need no more rules.

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I was penalized for the wrong doings of a couple big name hunters on my old dog. We were tring to get pup papers and while I was at the finals of the world hunt UKC told my buddy the owner of the female with the pups that my papers were wrong. How do you think that makes you feel when you have sold pups and bred females and your dog was DNA-VIP. Makes you feel kind of dumb to have to call and apoligize to people who bought pups from you for someone else's mistake like 12 years before the news came out. Yes I would say it would save some trouble. If nothing else it would have saved me some imbarrasment and as far as I am concerned it pretty well ruined my dog for chances as a stud dog. No, he may not have ever made it anyway but with three blank spots on his pedigree he had absolutly no chance. Not to mention all the time and money I spent going to hunts and so fourth with a dog that I thought was well bred when I got him.

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Mr jones, Isaacs, Cowan, Maniac, Reds4Me, Eastman, tnmountain coon............is every UKC reg dog in your kennel DNA profiled now? Yah now, if you guys are really in favor of this, then DO IT! You don't need a rule to require DNA, you can require yourself. Do you?


I own 5 Walkers in my kennel right now and every one of them is DNA profiled with both PKC and UKC. I don't need no more rules.

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And by the way my dog is DNA with both UKC and PKC.

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I think it should be an option for an owner to dna or not. I do think that if a dog is nkot dnaed it should only have the rights to being plane old registrations if wanting to participate in the performance programs or any other special program then dogs should be dnaed just like every other dog registered in the special programs that ukc offers just like pkc does. one can't compete in futurity or super stakes unless it's been paid up and dnaed point black. if only registered and nothing else is paid up then that dog is not allowed to participate in those programs eccept for the regular registration events.

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I think it should be an option for an owner to dna or not. I do think that if a dog is nkot dnaed it should only have the rights to being plane old registrations if wanting to participate in the performance programs or any other special program then dogs should be dnaed just like every other dog registered in the special programs that ukc offers just like pkc does. one can't compete in futurity or super stakes unless it's been paid up and dnaed point black. if only registered and nothing else is paid up then that dog is not allowed to participate in those programs eccept for the regular registration events.

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Although I think DNA profiling is a good idea, it's not practicable to require it.

My fees are up-to-date (I think), but here goes :

OWNER A :
Transfer of Ownership = $16.00
DNA Profile = $45.00 DNA-VIP out of Jack and Jill
Total = $61.00

OWNER B :
Really likes the Jack x Jill cross, so he buys a dog that is supposed to be out of that cross from A. He can transfer both the registration papers and DNA profile into his name. So, he now has registration papers and a DNA-VIP paper on his dog. BUT, is it the right dog??? Without doing another DNA Profile at $45, it's based on faith despite the fact that he has DNA-VIP papers.

So, both papers, registration and DNA-profile, can be switched, and no one would know the difference (except the one that switched them) UNLESS ANOTHER DNA-PROFILE WERE DONE (another $45 fee). So, that's $61, to tranfer a dog to a new owner, with verified accuracy of the papers, each time it changes ownership. Without requiring that $45 additional fee for a new DNA-Profile, there is no way to verify that the papers being transferred match the dog!!!

It still comes down to the integrity of the breeder, AND, the integrity of EACH and EVERY person in the chain of ownership of the dog! Only difference is that DNA profiling can help identify the fact that papers could have got switched somewhere along the way!!!

A lot of people don't bother to tranfer ownership for the $16 fee. These people won't be jumping to pay $61.

Given the above, I don't think it's feasible to require a DNA profile.

That said, I believe it is very feasible to require a DNA Profile before issuing dogs any Championship degrees. There is no surefire way to make dishonest people act with integrity. Even if we do this thing on degrees, did they acheive them honestly and with integrity???

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