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nitehawk
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Dog coming into tree after the five is up and coon is seen.Tree has been scored and cast is leading away.How is the dog scored according to the current rules?

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Re: Question

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Dog coming into tree after the five is up and coon is seen.Tree has been scored and cast is leading away.How is the dog scored according to the current rules?

minus strike unless dog was shut out on tree.

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Delete

THAT IS A PREVOUSLY SCORED TREE SO YOU WOULD DELETE THE STRIKE POINTS.

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You out there Jim?

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Re: Delete

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THAT IS A PREVOUSLY SCORED TREE SO YOU WOULD DELETE THE STRIKE POINTS.


THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS...........

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Did the dog come into the tree or to the cast after the cast left the tree? If the cast was still at the tree then the dog gets minus strike points for coming into a tree after the cast arrives and a coon was seen. If the dog came into the tree after the cast left the tree then it would have it's strike points deleted for coming to a preveiously scored tree. If it came into the cast after the cast left the tree then the dog would receive minus points for quitting the track and coming in.

Also, if the dog was shutout on strike then it's strike points would be deleted period.

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Did the dog come into the tree or to the cast after the cast left the tree? If the cast was still at the tree then the dog gets minus strike points for coming into a tree after the cast arrives and a coon was seen.


Not if the tree had already been scored on the card. It would be considered a previously scored tree and strike would be deleted.

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Re: Question

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Dog coming into tree after the five is up and coon is seen.Tree has been scored and cast is leading away.How is the dog scored according to the current rules?


Minus strike if dog got there before scoring the tree and delete if dog got there after.

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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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If cast is still at the tree - minus strike
If cast has left the tree and the dog comes into the tree - the dog has to be treed to be handled. (You can't just go handle one after you've scored the tree and left.
If cast has left tree and dog comes into the cast - minus strile

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A tree can't be considered a previously scored tree until the dogs scored at that tree are recast.
Elvis gave the correct answer.

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If the cast is still at the tree and is starting to walk away when the dog gets there then I agree with Jim and Elvis. If the cast has walked on away from the tree then its strike is still minused under rule 4e. Dogs struck and quits trail and comes in will be minused on strike.

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If shine time was up=Delete no matter where the cast is.
If tree still being scored=minus strike points.

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quote:
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A tree can't be considered a previously scored tree until the dogs scored at that tree are recast.


So you plus a tree and are leading three dog their minute so they can recast. 45 seconds into the minute, the 4th dogs gets treed behind you on the same tree. Do you go back and handle him because he's on the same tree and minus his strike?
A tree is "previously scored" as soon as the tree is scored plus, circle, or minus.

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You don't walk a minute in UKC. You recast whenever the 8 is broke. There is no minute rule. I'm still waiting for some kind of official word on exactly when a tree becomes a previouysly scored tree because your situation above does ask a good question.

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Once the cast agrees, the pencil hits the card, That tree has just been scored. You can still be at the tree putting it down on the card and at that point it is scored. Once cast or nonhunting judge has made a decision than that is the end of the scoring and that tree is previously scored. Previously doesn't have a distance or time limit.

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Once the cast agrees, the pencil hits the card, That tree has just been scored. You can still be at the tree putting it down on the card and at that point it is scored. Once cast or nonhunting judge has made a decision than that is the end of the scoring and that tree is previously scored. Previously doesn't have a distance or time limit.



Amen to that one...

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