Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
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I've seen this trick tried to be used about three times but i'm wondering anyone else has...Here's how it goes.

The dogs are all cut loose the first minute is up and no strike, finally a dog opens up barking several times. handler A strikes his dog, mean while the dog keeps barking and handler B claims that handler A has struck his dog. Only one dog is barking and only handler A has struck in. Handler B strikes the same dog and still complains that "A" has struck his dog. Now another dog opens on the track. Handler A says that that is his dog and strikes it in and admits that he struck the wrong dog and takes the minus but now wants handler B scratched for not striking his dog on or before the third bark.

Handler A has just found a way to get rid of a quick strike dog and at least some of his competition. And only take 100 minus.

The rules are clear about not striking your dog but I think most folks when put in this situation don't get their dog struck by the third bark. because they want to be sure it is their dog.

What you all think of it.

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: west virgina
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as i think once the handler A strikes the dog that leaves handler B time to strike his dog and handler B dont have to strike his dog if the strike was called and then and the judge should know what the dogs sound like after a few barks of the different dogs andthat shouldnt happen again but no one gets stratch over it if the judge knows what he is doing

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Originally posted by Sawblade
........seen this trick tried to be used about three times ........B strikes the same dog ....... complains that "A" has struck his dog. ........A admits that he struck the wrong dog .........now wants B scratched for not striking his dog on or before ......

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if "A" calls for a vote and everyone says "B" should not be scratched .Lets say "A" wants a ? on it ,when the MOH gets the question how will he rule on it. Handler "B" admits he didn't strike until well after the first three barks.

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Proud Breeder of the following dogs
GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,


They are bred with heart and drive included.

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Location: Bunn, NC (Near Raleigh)
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First off, every ? brought back to the clubhouse is usually not explained as well as you have posted.

However, if it were explained with the simplicity that you have explained it would seem to be an obvious case of a mean spirited competitor that was trying to deceive others with the intent to use the rules to cheat, sounds weird to say one is using the rules to cheat but that is as accurate as I can describe what I have read in your post? I would call this "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" and would scratch that man and write him up for his actions...

Key here is will it get properly explained to the MOH back at the clubhouse, details can muddle the situation and hearing four opinions, often from four different perspectives, can certainly cause confusion in the decision making process.

Just my thoughts...

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1) was it the same slick handler all three times?
2) did "A" dog sound anything like the "B" dogs?

i'd say if it were the same slickster all three times and his dog didn't sound like the dogs he called, then it should be easy to prove what he's up to and if a complaint was filed with UKC maybe they would stick him on the barred list.

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The rule says dogs must be struck on or before the third bark, when dog "A" was struck, he doesn't have to be struck again no matter who claims him. He is struck in. Once handler "A" adamits he struck the wrong dog, dog"A" points go to the proper handler who has claimed the dog correctly. Dog "A" doesn't need to be restruck, the three bark rule was satisfied the first time the dog was struck in even tho he was struck by the wrong handler. The reason that slick handling trick can't work is because the dog need only be struck in once even if the wrong handler strikes him.

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Registered: Feb 2004
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ALL I CAN SAY IF HEARD YOUR DOG OPEN YOU BETTER STRIKE IN . OTHERWISE YOU ARE JUST LUCKY THAT SLICK HANDLER SAID HE STRUCK IN BY MISTAKE BUT YOU BETTER GET ON THE BOARD OR FACED BEING SCRATCHED !

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Originally posted by JiM
The rule says dogs must be struck on or before the third bark, when dog "A" was struck, he doesn't have to be struck again no matter who claims him. He is struck in. Once handler "A" adamits he struck the wrong dog, dog"A" points go to the proper handler who has claimed the dog correctly. Dog "A" doesn't need to be restruck, the three bark rule was satisfied the first time the dog was struck in even tho he was struck by the wrong handler. The reason that slick handling trick can't work is because the dog need only be struck in once even if the wrong handler strikes him.

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Darrel, you're prolly right.

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All I can say for sure is that I would never even have thought of that if I hadn't read it here. I must not have my mind geared towards "handling"...

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Registered: Jun 2003
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when your dog opens, you strike it. Sort things out later. Had handler B spoken up, handler A would have been down 100 points right off the bat and got the message he isn't going to get away with pushing people around.

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