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Might help pay the entry fee and gas costs to campaign a dog. Would also help the local clubs show entries.

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I think that would be a great idea!

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Am I the only one that gets an uneasy feeling about Bench Show Judges looking over a full show arena of dogs and then pointing to a dog and awarding him a few hundred dollars? Probably because I can picture the Monday morning phone calls already. We can discuss but I gotta say....makes me squirm a little.

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I got to agree with Todd on this one.I would much rather see some kind of program to reward the dual purpose dog.

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However, I can also see the flip side of the argument. The only dogs that I have right now that are in the performance program are lacking the necessary tools to be worthy of being on a bench with me handling them, but if they were good enough it would be nice to have the opportunity to recoup some of the money that I spend hauling them around.

The only possible gain could come in entries, right now we are starting to see more interest in hunting hounds after they are Gr. Nt. Ch. due to the performance point money, and I believe that before long you will actually start seeing as many GRNT's as there are NTCH at the smaller hunts for that reason. Right now there aren't enough out there to justify hauling them to hunts as GRNT's, but the numbers are growing. This could have the same effect for the decreasing entries at the Bench Shows.

The Monday morning calls are going to come anyway, this would only change the subject. As far as the squirming, well, thats why you get the big bucks, right? Well at least I hope they pay you all well for putting up with all of this.

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The Performance Program has not increased GrNt entries at any of the clubs I hunt. Our clubs entries are actually higher this year in spite of the poor economy in this area and the gas prices. We are averageing 28 dogs per hunt. But other than the Walker Sectional, our hunts have not drawn a single GrNt. I have not seen a GrNt hunted at any club level non-section nite hunt. Look at the results section of Bloodlines. Very few of the hunt results show a GrNt winner.
As for a Perf Program for show dogs, I have no opinion but I think Todd is dead on with his worries about the complaint level.

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However, what I said was that we are seeing a lot more interest in hunting them. There aren't that many GRNT's in our area that are performance dogs right now, however, if you ask the guys that own them they sure want the entries in the GRNT to go up. Most of the UKC GRNTCH dogs in the past (at least the local dogs here) have skipped the UKC hunts in favor of the other kennel club because there was nothing more to gain here. Now that there is, I'll bet that you will see them starting to come out and hunt once their numbers are high enough.

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You may be right. I hope so.

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I agree with Tod fully....a BS judge is all opinion...he may feel that this dog has better somethin or other than this dog so he is going with that dog when your opinion could be completely opposite....Not to forget the friends of the bench show judge...they would probably be coming out of the arena with a couple hundred buck that they didnt deserve because they are friends....I call that "the buddy system"....just a thought....

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This isnt a bad idea, I do agree with todd, however there will be complaints no matter what. This would help with expense and possibly more attending the shows knowing that money can be made, as for the "buddy system" IMO this could happen even in the hunts or most events regardless, I have seen favortism in shows but more sore losers than anything, I understand nobody goes to lose but there are so! many nice quality dogs out there but good sportmanship would to be congratulate and focus and try harder for the next one!

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the buddy system is bad enough now. dont get me wrong there are a lot of good honest judges out there but there is a lot of whose behind the dog that gose on to

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Am I the only one that gets an uneasy feeling about Bench Show Judges looking over a full show arena of dogs and then pointing to a dog and awarding him a few hundred dollars? Probably because I can picture the Monday morning phone calls already. We can discuss but I gotta say....makes me squirm a little.

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As for a Perf Program for show dogs, I have no opinion but I think Todd is dead on with his worries about the complaint level. [/B]

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Why not have a panel to judge them, kinda like what i have seen at the pkc shows.. three or 4 people evaluate them and right it on a paper don't show it to anyone, and then hand them to master of hounds majority rules.. Just my opinion, im not much in the show thing, but anything to help the attendance.. pete

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Why not have a panel to judge them, kinda like what i have seen at the pkc shows.. three or 4 people evaluate them and right it on a paper don't show it to anyone, and then hand them to master of hounds majority rules.. Just my opinion, im not much in the show thing, but anything to help the attendance.. pete

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Sorta like the sound of that. Come on Todd have you lost your Monday morning enthusiam, Hum just think Saturday at let's say hunky bunky Ga State bench show with 176 dogs and old one eyed rusty who ain't won but two shows all year long wins say $350.00 do you realy think the switch board in your office would lite up on Monday morning. YOU BETCHA
Yea you ain't got enough to do so jump on the band wagon and get it started today, Na I ain't gona judge one for you.
O yea let's follow along behind P K C bench show program. WOW I forgot they don't have p k c shows anymore so much for the 3, 4 panel judge program.
Robert why not have a mouse judge you know put the dogs on a bench with a number let the little mouse out of a cage he runs around inside a walled ares huns in a hole with a # and the dog on that bench WINS. You know take all of the crooks out judging.
Breed days yesser who won B&T days, Walker days, English Days, Redbone days you get the Idea.
COMONE TODD put a littke excitement into showing again.

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Robert why not have a mouse judge you know put the dogs on a bench with a number let the little mouse out of a cage he runs around inside a walled ares huns in a hole with a # and the dog on that bench WINS. You know take all of the crooks out judging.
Breed days yesser who won B&T days, Walker days, English Days, Redbone days you get the Idea.
COMONE TODD put a littke excitement into showing again. [/B]

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not a good idea that would just get more people breeding dogs that cant tree coon and create more culls. dont get me wrong i enjoy the bench shows but i enjoy easier starting pups that can tree coon better then dogs that stand pretty. this is my opinion and its not meant to make anyone mad.

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I like the idea of a perf program for the bench. I can see the problem with complaints. However, why not set up a point system for each area of the dog. So dog one could score 10 pts on head and ears, 20 points on legs, feet, etc. This would be turned in by the judge to the UKC for each dog entered. If there is a dispute then the UKC could look up the score sheets for that dog over a few events and compare scores. A dog should not be able to score a 2 on head under one judge and a 10 by another.

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the performance program was designed for dogs that hunt not for dogs that smell like fee fee our shine like a new penny our lay on the couch all day.this is crazy.
tell me how much money do you want them to get for a best of show the same as a real coon treeing coondog.
this would do nothing more then cause alot of cheating as the show dog of the year thing has our what ever you call it,guys will bring 4 our 5 dogs to the show have there buddy stand them on the bench and make no effort to show them so ole coach potato gets more show wins.get real.

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the performance program was designed for dogs that hunt not for dogs that smell like fee fee our shine like a new penny our lay on the couch all day.this is crazy.
tell me how much money do you want them to get for a best of show the same as a real coon treeing coondog.
this would do nothing more then cause alot of cheating as the show dog of the year thing has our what ever you call it,guys will bring 4 our 5 dogs to the show have there buddy stand them on the bench and make no effort to show them so ole coach potato gets more show wins.get real.

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i'm ok with it as long as it is a completely seprate program that you need to say spend an extra $100 on your stud to enroll and maybe an extra 10 per litter or something. on that note i'd say its safe to say thats a bit of money ukc would never get outa me

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Are you saying that the dogs on the bench never see the woods? Just about every dog in every show I have been in leave the bench and enter the NH. Maybe there are a few people here that believe that the breed standard talks about how a dog should look in order to perform in optimally in the woods. I have yet to read a breed standard that states how a dog should hunt or tree. A REAL coondog should have the ability to do it on the bench and in the woods.

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most cases the show dogs never see the woods.they will drive along way to show then go home around here.i seen yours is a show dog tell me about his night hunt wins.

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Why not have a panel to judge them, kinda like what i have seen at the pkc shows.. three or 4 people evaluate them and right it on a paper don't show it to anyone, and then hand them to master of hounds majority rules.. Just my opinion, im not much in the show thing, but anything to help the attendance.. pete

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