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John Wick Talks 3 - Persistence Pays

Because I don’t know how to type or use the computer, I’m tape recording this for my assistant Lisa to type for me.

As I recently watched T. R. Michels giving a seminar about everything there is to know about whitetail deer and how to successfully hunt them, it suddenly hit me. I realized that I should have known this many years ago, but somehow I never thought about it. The earth-shaking, new revelation that banged me on the head was the simple fact that it’s impossible to look at someone or chat with them for a few minutes and come to a correct assessment of their commitment and perseverance and determination and dedication.

In every sport, business, or human endeavor there are a few—very few—people who against all odds keep trudging onward and upward day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. They’re all human so they all have lots of trials, tribulations, and bumps in the road. Yet these few people never get sidetracked for very long, and they keep quietly working and learning and improving their chosen endeavor.

It’s very quick and easy to see who makes the smoke blowing meter spin, and it’s very easy to see the guys and gals that are loaded with pizzazz and charisma. It’s usually easy to spot people who wish they were someone they’re not, but they put on a great act and do manage to fool many people.

T. R. Michels and people like him are totally different though, and I’m so proud to call this man a friend of mine. T. R. from his home base in Minnesota has quietly worked and struggled and hung in there. Despite numerous obstacles in his life, he’s become a nationally known writer and expert on wildlife behavior. Although he never finished college and received a degree, his books and studies are often used in college courses to teach future wildlife biologists and researchers. Even though he’s calm, quiet, and has suffered a horrible episode in his life that seriously disfigured his face, this guy gets up in front of crowds all over the nation doing speeches and seminars. He gets their attention, holds their attention, teaches and entertains them, and leaves them wanting more. Every single day he tries to learn more. Every waking hour he tries to understand more things that aren’t yet understood. He tries to figure out what is really truth and fact and what is incorrect even though it may be accepted as fact by many who don’t think, study, or try to constantly strive for improvement.

Yes, as I sat there watching T. R., I realized that no one meeting him would understand his commitment and perseverance. Yet in the end, isn’t that what really separates the people who want to change and improve the world from those that actually do?

One of my favorite magazines in the whole world is Western Horseman. I’ve enjoyed it for about 40 years because every month it’s jam-packed with interesting stories about good people, educational articles about famous horses, and numerous articles packed with information I can use to make my horses and mules better. You better believe I need all the help I can get. I’m not a gifted or natural horseman or athlete, but I’ve always been interested in horses and mules so I keep trying to learn even though those critters keep trying to make me walk more and ride less.

But seriously, if I was rich or younger, I would probably start a new tree dog magazine and use a similar format as Western Horseman. Every business, hobby, pastime, or whatever you want to call them—other than the tree dog sport—have magazines packed full of information to help the subscribers succeed in becoming better. Some tree dog fanciers might say, “Well heck, there’s nothing more to know than pet your dog when it trees, shoot all the coons down to it, and go to Nite Hunts and manipulate your way to a win.” However, I know that many thousands of people want much more info than that.

A couple of months ago there was a really nice article in Western Horseman about another man that I’m very proud to call a friend. Charlie Trayer, like T. R., is not an obvious or natural superstar yet he’s nationally respected and famous for two things. The first is his amazing and innovative new ways of training serious cattle catching and herding dogs. Knowing there is always a better way to do everything, Charlie and some of his friends have significantly changed the way cattle dogs that work for a living are raised, trained, and bred. It started with this Kansas resident and some friends assessing the strengths and weaknesses of the different breeds of cattle dogs. Through many years of trial and error, they mixed and crossbred four or five breeds in a successful effort to create a better cow dog. Charlie also completely changed how these dogs are worked and trained. The other thing Charlie’s known for is horse training.

Much like T. R. and many other people who succeed, Charlie Trayer is not going to immediately dazzle you with his charisma or gift of gab. When he’s in a room full of people, he’ll be one of the quietest. Maybe even the quietest unless I’m in that room. Here again is a man who does a lot of writing, authors books, does videos, and travels around the country doing some very interesting and informative seminars. After you get to know him, you realize he’s a very intelligent, sensible, humble, innovative guy. He’s got a ton of that commitment and perseverance I mentioned earlier. After many years of constantly and quietly working, those two guys have risen to the upper ranks of their chosen endeavors while finding and making many improvements along the way. I admire these two guys and respect them.

In the birddog sport, there’s my friend Delmar Smith from Oklahoma. He’s a man cut from a similar mold as my other two friends. Delmar is one super sharp cookie. Over the years he changed the way birddogs are trained. He’s a superstar. Yet he, like the other two fellows, is so nice and humble that if you aren’t careful, you would definitely underestimate him.

As I occasionally read printouts that come off this amazing gizmo called a computer—that some smart person invented after being assured that it would never work, and then I’m sure being told that no one would want the darn thing anyhow—it’s obvious there are some really sensible people in our game also. Of course, there are always those few who are shooting at any target. But there are many sensible people who want to learn and are also willing to share what they’ve learned. In the tree dog sport, we too have several people who may not be real noticeable but they are showing a strong commitment to learning and improving. They have the persistence and determination to see it through and make a difference. They may be twenty or eighty but every day they try to find a way to advance or help our sport and the many people who also want to do better. Let’s cheer them on. Let’s thank them. Let’s appreciate them.

If you’re struggling and not getting the results you desire, hang in there. We’ve all been there. The tie that binds all successful tree dog enthusiasts together is the perseverance and determination to stick with it. Read, learn, and listen to everything you can, and then think for yourself. The rewards and success will come.

Henry Ford said that a person becomes old when they think they know it all and stop trying to learn. It doesn’t matter if they’re twenty or eighty. The tree dog sport as a whole, and most of us as individuals, still have much more to learn. There’s a great deal we can each do to improve our sport and encourage all those folks around us who are struggling to succeed.

*In the coonhound magazines, I recently read a few things that I was super impressed with. One was an article in the March 2004 American Cooner by Muray Ragan starting on page 104 called No Dogs to Bark. I really enjoyed that. What a wonderful human interest story! Coonhound Bloodlines had several interesting pieces. Another is an article written by an Indiana conservation officer that appeared in a couple of our hound magazines. It’s terrific. It should give us all pause and cause for a little self-examination.

As a sport, we don’t have the best public image. That can only be because we haven’t given the public reasons to have a better image of us. That is improving gradually, but we’re starting from way behind, and we need to examine every possible way to do a better public relations job on our own behalf. Many of us, my self included, enjoy disappearing into the woods with a dog or two and pretending that the pressures of the world and the forces that would like to stop or destroy us don’t exist. But they do, and those of us who give a **** need to explore sensible and down-to-earth ways to shine a positive light on our sport and always represent it and ourselves in favorable ways.

Your thoughts, comments, and input are very welcome. Next time, in about two weeks, I’ll address that handful of people whose response to everything I ever write is the question, “Well, did Wick ever actually train a coon dog?”

Have a GREAT NIGHT! J. W.

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Keep em coming John:

I wish you would start a magazine like the one you mentioned. It seems todays books are more for making money and less on helping and informing.

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John D
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Mr. Wick, I'm glad you're visiting this forum and offering your thoughts. I have alot of respect for your dog knowledge and would go as far as to say your first Walk With Wick book probably kept me in coonhunting by providing me some help when I needed it and couldn't get it anywhere else.

If I could make a small suggestion, and I don't mean to offend, I'd rather hear more from you about dogs, and less about yourself and other people. Get involved in some of these discussions on here where folks are having training problems or are debating some aspect of coondogs/coonhunting. Its your dog knowledge, that has got you where you're at, and what folks respect you for, imo.

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Mr. Wick, at this point I would be happy if the UKC would create a historical database of all the coonhound pedigrees and Bloodline magazines. I would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription fee for said service.

Such a magazine would be greatly appreciated. It could also be an online magazine. Avoid a lot of the costs.

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Uncle John,

Just finished up with the new book. Now, if I can just remember it all. Some things I knew, some I knew with a little twist, and some I never would have thought of in my lifetime. Very well written. It is amazing at the knowledge you have on hounds, but to write it all down is just incredible, and to share it with the world is a blessing. Thanks and I await the next books.

I like your articles just the way they are and please don't change a thing. I agree we take these hounds way to seriously at times. It seems as though your words teach more than just about hounds, they also teach you a little about life. I knew of a young man that had a terrible speech impairment. He also loved the Lord with all his heart and wanted to become a Minister. He never let his handicap stand in his way and went on to tour the US and overseas spreading the Word.

Thanks for sharing your views with us on the message boards. I look forward to your next post. Till then, God Bless.

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Mr. Wick,

Up here in Wisconsin we have an organization called the Wisconsin Coonhunter's Association. We donate 100% of our earnings from the coonhound events and annual awards banquet to charities such as the Children's Hospital of Wisconsin and to public interests such as the raccoon exhibit at the North-east Wisconsin Zoo. We also give away scholarships to high school seniors going to secondary education in a natural resources related field.

If I might pass on a little constructive criticism in the hopes of seeing you share some of your insight in a more valuable way, it would be to, in part, mimic John D.'s comments. You may try interacting with some of the posters in their day to day questions and problems rather than the long bi-weekly and very generalized commentary. There are many young people on here getting somewhat less than concise or material feedback to their hound problems. Your opinion may not carry any more weight to a young person as that from anyone else, but by offerring it, you've done your part help someone out.

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MR. Wick,

In your message you said when you stop learning you are done for. Well, start clicking and pecking. The rest of us werent born knowing how to use a computor. If I can learn anyone can. Dive in head first. But I want to warn you it is addictive.

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i don't know about anybody else,but i will gladly listen to any
advise on hounds from anyone with expeirence.

we all should think about and consider advise from each other.

i'm always ready to try to learn.

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John you are right we need a better magazine for tree dogs and we all need to work making better image not only for coon hunters but all hunting.
I remember years ago when I got your book Walking with Wick. I still read it from time to time. I wish you was still making your hunting clothes got set overhauls that over 20 some years old still using.

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MR. Wick i have read ever thing i could ever get that you have written and agree with at least 90% of it but one thing i always had a problem with is dog adjustment to a shock collar don't let the dog know you are responsible for the shock well i want the dog to know that i am responsible for the shock like i often tell people as a joke i whip my dogs once a month just to let them know who the boss is.lol.

When i shock one for running a deer or fox i want it to know i was the one that stoped the race not the deer or fox that shocked it for running the track and i believe no matter how much the adjustment to a shock collar the dog knows you are the one stopping the race ever one has seen dogs smell that shock collar as you put it own i don't think we are fooling any one but our selves.
Just one mans opinion thanks for all the great articles and books over the years.
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The reason you don't want them to know that it wasn't you is because for many different reason. For one if your a competition hunter and someone else's dog hits trash or maybe your bumps it, there going to realize in minutes there not doing right and quit the track and do one of two things. Either correct there self and go on hunting and strike and tree a coon or high tell it back to your side and walk beside you cause they know your the reason they got it. But if you let them wear the collar for a while three days at least before you ever correct them for say just barking at the house than you will have a lot more success. I've seen it a bunch where a dog that's been abused or shocked to much come back in confused and want go back hunting. The article I read that John wrote on using a shocker was dead on. But everyone has there opinions.

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Tim i can see your reasoning for that as a competition hunter but i am way pass that age unless i get a world beater and have to hire a handler.

Yes i want them to do just what you said when other dogs strike trash i want ole Sam to come right back to me and tell on all the rest of the dogs but this would not be much good in a competion hunt.lol.

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i have always tried not to let my dogs know it was me that shocked them but most are smart enough to figure it out real quick anyway. so i have come to the conclusion it doesn't make a hole lot of difference. every dog responds differently anyway.

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Well thats why everyone has there own style, lol. My dad had blue dog when I was a kid and all we did was pleasure hunted so dad broke him that way. Well little did I know I'd get hooked on the hunts later and guess what, that ole dog cause us a lot of cast cause of that. So just remember u might have a nephew/niece or maybe get a barn burner and want to sale it to me, lol. Nah it's all in what u like. I do think it confuses them though, I try to lay off the shocker when there young.

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lol all my dogs know about that collar, is that when they see it , and I put it on them they get to get out of the kennel . no different than the dog leash . when they know it's you doing the dirty deed of shocking most dogs are like kids and have that reasoning that I had when a kid of [ well dad ain't around and I'm gonna do it lol ] . but I did mess up a couple of my dogs by toning them before shocking for barking in the kennel . but I think I can correct my misuse of the collar in that regards . I hope so because I love the recall with the tone .

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I tell u what if u want to break one from barking in the kennel the right way put the no bark on for three or four days or longer. Let them think it's another dog collar. But so many people just slap them on them and shock them. We'll guess what if u want them to shut up u half to put a collar on them every time. I know it works for me but hey some people keep doing it there way right or wrong. But that's why they feed them

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I love the articles by Uncle John in American Cooner and do wish we had more quality reading materials around because even if you are too old or your job keeps you too busy it is still alot of fun to read and dream

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Richard, I agree!

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You guys/gals know this is a dead thread right. I mean John Wick hasn't been back to it in the 10 years since he started it.

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