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Peterhunts101
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Land required for coon hunting?

I’m just curious how much land you guys think you need to coon hunt. Assume it’s mostly timber, and you don’t have permission from the neighbors. Would thirty acres be enough? Fifty? 100? And can you coon hunt on land that is fenced off?

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If I don't have 500 plus here I won't cut my dog loose. We don't have a really good population of coons. What I like to do is get as many adjacent properties as I can. Hopefully those properties are big farms.

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I cut loose in 10 acre patches without second thought. Around here the average woods is maybe 30 acres.

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Novicane You like to play it real safe huh? Jim how fast can your dogs clear those ten acre patches though? Are they fenced, like what happens once they get close to someone else’s property?

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RedSealKennels
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How much land you need depends on your coon population and how deep your dog hunts. The dog is going to go were it goes regardless of if you have permission for that property. Your best bet is to get permission from everyone in the area that you hunt. I always just go to every house there is on a road and all the roads surrounding it to ask for permission. They might not all give it but then at least they know someone runs dogs in the area.

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How much land you need depends on your coon population and how deep your dog hunts. The dog is going to go were it goes regardless of if you have permission for that property. Your best bet is to get permission from everyone in the area that you hunt. I always just go to every house there is on a road and all the roads surrounding it to ask for permission. They might not all give it but then at least they know someone runs dogs in the area.

So then is buying land not smart for coon hunting because neighbors might not give permission and you’ve sunk all that money into the land? Is it bad to shock a dog if he gets too far away?

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Land is an investment no matter how you look at it. You can tone a dog to get it to stop, you can holler, blow the horn, a whistle or shock. That’s why obideance training comes in. Whatever you prefer. I often hunt bigger tracts but will and have turned out on 6-30 acre tracts knowing good and well it’s highly unlikely they stay on the peice I’m hunting. Doesn’t bother me as long as it’s open land I let them do what they want.

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Land is an investment no matter how you look at it. You can tone a dog to get it to stop, you can holler, blow the horn, a whistle or shock. That’s why obideance training comes in. Whatever you prefer. I often hunt bigger tracts but will and have turned out on 6-30 acre tracts knowing good and well it’s highly unlikely they stay on the peice I’m hunting. Doesn’t bother me as long as it’s open land I let them do what they want.

If you didn’t want your dogs going on to other people’s land, how much land minimum would you want to have before you let your dogs run?

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Ron Ashbaugh
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I have turned loose on 3000 acres and I have turned loose on 100 acres......it seems almost a given if there is one house in the area the dogs will tree within sight of it half the time.

I will no longer hunt multiple dogs as they seem to go further faster with a buddy to compete against. If you really enjoy coonhunting you can turn loose about wherever you have permission and just face the music when your dog inevitably gets where it doesn't belong. To me its more nerve racking every year, or maybe I am just more sensitive.

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MUSKY
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I typically try to get permission from the one landowner that will most likely let me hunt. Then I will approach the surrounding landowners and let them know that I will be hunting there neighbors place, some will let me go ahead and hunt there places too, some will not. The ones that do not want me hunting I ask them if my dog gets on there property is it alright to go ahead and retrieve it or do they want me to come to there residence in the middle of the night to retrieve my dog.... 99% of the time they will tell me to go ahead and get my dog. I also never park at someone’s house or anything like that, the least amount of interaction you have with a landowner the better... so to sum it up if I have a 20 acre patch that will give me access to hundreds of acres. And I never ask for permission until deer season is over usually.

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Originally posted by Peterhunts101
Novicane You like to play it real safe huh? Jim how fast can your dogs clear those ten acre patches though? Are they fenced, like what happens once they get close to someone else’s property?



Well, I'd rather play it safe and be trouble free. The almighty whitetail has ruined about every other form of hunting known to man. And like stated earlier, ask as many neighbors as possible. It can save you and your dog from being shot or shot at.

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Non issue

When the farmer pulls up which is rare, he knows who I am, if a neighbor to the landowner stops, I politely tell them who I am and they do not own it. If I have a dog with no reverse, get to my dog as fast as I can if they get out of pocket, get out asap, works good for me, if I stop and got permission to retrieve, it usually gets me chewed out, no people contact, works for me . Always stay away from houses, never leave ruts!
6 acres for me, coon are really.thick here.

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quote:
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I cut loose in 10 acre patches without second thought. Around here the average woods is maybe 30 acres.
same

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My biggest fear would be letting my dog run on not that much property without permission from the neighbors, and the dog gets on their property and the neighbors either don’t let me retrieve the dog, or hurt the dog. Maybe Jason musky or Ron you guys can tell me does that happen? Is it a valid fear?

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Hate confontation

I have NEVER asked to retrieve, anymore,I go get the dog, lights out, you better be in shape! It is the WORST part of coon hunting, the last dog; I bought you can call in, new ones tone in, but back in the day no tracker, no shocker, no reverse it was rough. Non issue now that you can tone in.

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I give mine the whole world!! I Own everything around here after dark!!

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Re: Hate confontation

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I have NEVER asked to retrieve, anymore,I go get the dog, lights out, you better be in shape! It is the WORST part of coon hunting, the last dog; I bought you can call in, new ones tone in, but back in the day no tracker, no shocker, no reverse it was rough. Non issue now that you can tone in.

If there’s no trespassing signs doesn’t that become illegal? What does tone in mean?

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Tone in

You train a dog from day one to come to you when you hit the tone button on the trainer.
I have never been arrested, but a misdeamner tresspassing I can afford, getting my dog back asap is priceless !! The quicker you get the dog the better, don't mess around.

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I give mine the whole world!! I Own everything around here after dark!!


This kind of attitude is the reason dog hunting in general is looked down on by so many!!!!!!

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This is me personally so don’t get your panties in a wad. Train yours to suit you I’ll train mine to suit me!!
10 acres is enough for mine to empty out. It’s nothing to get him 2 miles from where he was cut. When he trees I go get him. When I tone him he’s trained to pick up the speed not come. When I hollor x dead! He comes. He knows he’s got a name and his name is x, not tone!! X is like my family so no matter where he goes I’m gonna go get him or call him to me. I’m not gonna leave him for doing his job. Call the game wardens, call the cops, I apologize for any inconvenience to the land owners and law enforcement But I’m going to go get my dog. I don’t hunt around houses but a lot of times I might end up next to one. If they are awake I’ll politley ask to go get him. Around here most do not care this time of year. Around deer season yeah it sucks. But regardless I’m going to get my dog. Frown upon, call me names I don’t care I’m going to go get my dog.
If you feel like you have a dog that doesn’t need to go that far!! Come on down I’d love to see them

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Great posts

Some good posts here because one of the posters is a retired game warden

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Re: Tone in

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You train a dog from day one to come to you when you hit the tone button on the trainer.
I have never been arrested, but a misdeamner tresspassing I can afford, getting my dog back asap is priceless !! The quicker you get the dog the better, don't mess around.


So is the tone button like a warning before you shock the dog? But you make the dog associate it with coming back? Sounds like a cool useful tool

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I have taught my dogs the tone and love it but I also have the attitude that after dark the whole world is mine thing going on. Until I have trouble then it's not always safe or fun.lol just like most I have been cursed at chased and shot at.

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