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Bassett vs Greyhound.. like compareing lemons to oranges.... Hmmmmm.

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Never seen a poodle with a NtCh degree.

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Well, I've trained a few that made me think I was a great trainer. And I've tried to train some that brought me back to reality. I would say it's more about the dog.

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Can you teach a hound how to run a track?

Can you teach a hound how to locate the right tree and have the game?

Can you teach a hound to stay at his/her tree regardless of the distractions going on around it?

Can you teach a hound how to hunt for it's game in terms of search or desire to find its game?

75-80% of what makes a top hound, regardless of the game it pursues, occurs a nano-second after the male dogs sperm penetrates the females egg in the breeding pen.

The remaining 20-25% of what makes a really good hound can be credited to the handler/ trainer. I may be giving a little to much credit to the handler/trainer.

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It was a great hound that trained me all about what the difference is between an average dog and a good dog! He knew more about Coons than I did! But I was a fast learner!

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I’m pretty well known to pack a winner and known to be a pretty decent dog man. And I’m here to tell you some just don’t have it regardless who has the dog. Some of these may run and tree a coon but they just don’t have IT!!
Now if you give a guy a dog that never has done anything with a dog and you take the shocker away. A good bred pup will start its self if they hunt it.
But give the same pup to a dog man and he can make it phenomenal. Cause it’s the little things a lot of guys never will understand that make and break a young dog!!

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I’m pretty well known to pack a winner and known to be a pretty decent dog man. And I’m here to tell you some just don’t have it regardless who has the dog. Some of these may run and tree a coon but they just don’t have IT!!
Now if you give a guy a dog that never has done anything with a dog and you take the shocker away. A good bred pup will start its self if they hunt it.
But give the same pup to a dog man and he can make it phenomenal. Cause it’s the little things a lot of guys never will understand that make and break a young dog!!

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I have asked this question on here for about 20 years.
Does the Dog make the Man or does the Man make the Dog

Did Houses Chief make Joe House or did Joe House make Houses Chief. Did the Original Hickory Nut Harry from the 60's make Tim Ball or did Tim Ball make Hickory Nut Harry.

Takes a combination of things. A man determine to be successful and then having the understanding of finding the dog to be successful with. Unfortunately most of these dogs turn out to be Walkers and has caused a lot of people to dislike them.

Problem with coonhunting is many Men are not happy with an average amount of success. They then become jealous of those that have more. That is when it gets ugly. Many breeds have suffered because of this. Many a night hunt has went from fun to aggravation because of this. They are just dogs and we are the Men who are suppose to have the Brains, Heart and Compassion to sort all this out and forge ahead. Good Luck with that!

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Without a good trainer, the best bred pup won't succeed..

Without a good bred pup the best trainer won't succeed.

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If you're willing to learn a really good hound can teach you a lot!😉

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I have asked this question on here for about 20 years.
Does the Dog make the Man or does the Man make the Dog

Did Houses Chief make Joe House or did Joe House make Houses Chief. Did the Original Hickory Nut Harry from the 60's make Tim Ball or did Tim Ball make Hickory Nut Harry.

Takes a combination of things. A man determine to be successful and then having the understanding of finding the dog to be successful with. Unfortunately most of these dogs turn out to be Walkers and has caused a lot of people to dislike them.

Problem with coonhunting is many Men are not happy with an average amount of success. They then become jealous of those that have more. That is when it gets ugly. Many breeds have suffered because of this. Many a night hunt has went from fun to aggravation because of this. They are just dogs and we are the Men who are suppose to have the Brains, Heart and Compassion to sort all this out and forge ahead. Good Luck with that!

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Is the breed of coonhound or the trainer/handler more important?

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Kler Kry...

I will have to say environment is very important starting at gestation and socializing the pup as best as possible...and a potentially great pup can be ruined by an in-experienced trainer...

I agree with most of what you are saying but in my opinion to get the very best out of a dog we cannot do the wrong things...but we don't need to put much effort in the right things because the right dog will either learn them quickly on it's own or it was born knowing instinctively on what to do in certain conditions...

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Coupled with as good of handler as possible but genes is more important in my opinion seen it to many times.real genetic dogs will do what you can't teach the other

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I have raised and hunted two dogs in my life that would make any man happy. One was a Redbone and one was a Bluetick. Both were naturals. I did nothing special with either dog and make no claim to be a great dog handler or trainer. It was the dogs that had the right stuff and they had it from birth. They just naturally had what it took to run the track in the right direction, tree the game and bark treed until I got there. I have also had many that didn't do so well. Some trailed in the wrong direction, couldn't follow a track until the game treed, left the tree, etc. Some of their shortcomings may have been because they had a poor trainer/handler (me) but I tend to think that most of it was that they just didn't have the genetic make-up to be top tree hounds. Personally, I think that the best trainer that ever pulled on a boot couldn't turn a Poodle into a coon-dog.

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You sir., hit the nail on the head! Honest a post as I have read. Dave

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There's that 🐩, 💩 up again.😂
Thank you sir, for cutting straight to the truth.

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There's that 🐩, 💩 up again.😂
Thank you sir, for cutting straight to the truth.

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There's that 🐩, 💩 up again.😂
Thank you sir, for cutting straight to the truth.

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Well...how many times will the truth have to be said before the non believers start believing?

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ive raised several sure nuff coon dogs and i can guarantee you it wasnt because i was such a good trainer,it was because they was bred to be coon dogs.way i figure it if breeding wasnt that important why not get a pomeranian and train it and when your ready to head home just put him in your pocket and head out.lol

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Skeets, I think you're a better trainer that you give yourself credit for. You understand where the foundation comes from which is their genetics. Then you're smart enough to stay out of the dogs way and let the genetics work while being there to keep everything headed in the right direction. You probably also realize when the genetics are not there as you had hoped it to be and you know when to move on.

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I have a litter right now, that i have allowed to run loose there whole life (5.5 months) on 90 acres of hardwoods, they are what i consider exceptional breeding They are driving me crazy treeing everything in the woods, at any given time the three, i have kept for my self will be treed together or split on the property somewhere. I do not expect to do anything but tweak these pups in a few areas as to how i want them to operate.
Was it the environment? The strict breeding plan? Both?

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I believe its 80% breeding 20% handler,and just hope handler doesn't screw up the 80%.

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