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For some of the non believers that there is dogs that hunt double digits for long periods of time night after night very considerable distances. Some day you may quit being Jealous and own 1. There out there.

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Some like dogs that fly through the country and some don't. It is a matter of personal preference. It has nothing to do with jealousy. I know that they are out there, I have one. But I don't hunt her. I hunt the one that trees coons close and if she starts flying through the woods, I tone her.
Now if you prefer one that flies through the woods, that is fine with me as long as I don't have to hunt with it or walk to it when it gets treed a mile deep.

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Where Richard and I live the Coons are considered thin but I can almost always strike and tree one in less than half mile so what is the point of walking a mile or more nearly every drop, it just don't make sense to me. But to each his own!

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I certainly won't be jealous, ( double digits) night after night) considerable distance ) I'll have him or her for sale on this board! I live in Illinois 1000 yards or a mile to tree a coon I've walked by 7! In that distance you may need that in PA but not Here,I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but double digits,and considerable distance ,is a poor measuring stick for a coon dog, good hunting to ya!

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I am certainly not jealous of anyone that has one of these "fast" moving hunting hounds. I am just stating simple facts that NO DOG can actually hunt at some of the speeds posted on here. Math put a man on the moon and math tells me a lot more than listening to anyone claims. At a speed of only 18 miles per hour, a dog must travel a mile every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, fact proven by math and does anyone actually believe any dog can maintain that kind of speed for 2 to 3 hours? To get an average one must travel even faster part of the time. Don't pizz on my leg and try to tell me it's raining. I have had my share of those fast moving dogs, yes they cover some ground, some actually hunting the ground they cover,a lot more just running through the woods hoping to find a track. Speed itself is not a determination of the quality of a coon hound. Running past a dozen coons to tree 1 coon is a serious fault to me, I am coon hunting not racing dogs or hunting for a dog. Dave

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If I wanted to hunt in the next county or state I would go over there and turn loose.

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Some dogs are hunted hard or ran on a treadmill and are in better condition than your average pleasure dog.
If a human can run a marathon of 26 miles + 300 some yards in 2hrs 2 minutes, 4 minutes 40 some seconds avg per mile what is a dog capable of?
Condition, terrain and genetics all play a huge part.

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Running and hunting are 2 completely different things. That is The point that some are trying to make. We know how fast a dog can run but just how fast can a dog "hunt". And I realize that some can hunt faster than others but at what point do y'all think hunting becomes running? I believe that their is an in between "grey" area. They have to give up hunting effectiveness to get hunting speed. It is kinda like giving up accuracy to get tree quickness.

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I am certainly not jealous of anyone that has one of these "fast" moving hunting hounds. I am just stating simple facts that NO DOG can actually hunt at some of the speeds posted on here. Math put a man on the moon and math tells me a lot more than listening to anyone claims. At a speed of only 18 miles per hour, a dog must travel a mile every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, fact proven by math and does anyone actually believe any dog can maintain that kind of speed for 2 to 3 hours? To get an average one must travel even faster part of the time. Don't pizz on my leg and try to tell me it's raining. I have had my share of those fast moving dogs, yes they cover some ground, some actually hunting the ground they cover,a lot more just running through the woods hoping to find a track. Speed itself is not a determination of the quality of a coon hound. Running past a dozen coons to tree 1 coon is a serious fault to me, I am coon hunting not racing dogs or hunting for a dog. Dave

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Oh my goodness, before we were just jealous. Now we have "serious misconceptions". Isn't that a very fancy or PC way to say that we don't know what we are talking about? We are just redneck coonhunters. You will have to post so that we can understand. You don't have to worry about hurting our feelings.

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When dogs are not struck what mph do you think a dog is being a thorough proficient hunter or having a run away ?
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......."thorough proficient hunter".....Do y'all really think that a dog can run through a woods at 15 mph and be a "thorough proficient" hunter?

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Some of you have some serious misconceptions about dogs that average in the double digits night in night out and hit upper teen speed on some tracks.
I can assure you not all are just a run away going mules for no reason and hunting this way with no rhyme or reason looking for a hot one to pop up a mile deep every time. Some can simply flat out run a track in ways others do not have the althetetism or stamina for.

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This post points out why it may be so hard to raise coon dogs. Evidently we're not all looking for the same thing. I guess I have always wanted something in the middle. A dog that hunts with a lot of hustle but nearly always sticks within hearing.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, before we were just jealous. Now we have "serious misconceptions". Isn't that a very fancy or PC way to say that we don't know what we are talking about? We are just redneck coonhunters. You will have to post so that we can understand. You don't have to worry about hurting our feelings.

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There's no misunderstanding or misconception period,I respect your knowledge,and accomplishments, but all coons don't sit 1/2 mile off the road waiting for you to turn loose , all don't run a mile then bush! If you like that style of dog then I'm delighted your happy, but please don't try to sell that nonsense that a dog has to hunt so many mph to be proficient or get 1000 yards in to be effective no one is talking about some dogs running a track faster than others,most of us learned that years ago, treeing coons, running fast , getting deep,are 3 different topics, the misconception is not knowing the difference.....

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......."thorough proficient hunter".....Do y'all really think that a dog can run through a woods at 15 mph and be a "thorough proficient" hunter?

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To me it's funny that since Garmin we talk about dogs in terms of MPH and how many yards or miles away. I remember a time when talked about coon sense (the ability to find a coon), how fast they ran a running track(never heard anyone use MPH when talking about this) and striking within hearing. One thing that is plain and simple GPS has changed hunting and terminology. Another question is how fast can a coon run for 30 minutes?

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To me it's funny that since Garmin we talk about dogs in terms of MPH and how many yards or miles away. I remember a time when talked about coon sense (the ability to find a coon), how fast they ran a running track(never heard anyone use MPH when talking about this) and striking within hearing. One thing that is plain and simple GPS has changed hunting and terminology. Another question is how fast can a coon run for 30 minutes?

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
I sure like to see them making big swings and Averaging in the double digits all the time. Sometimes in the flooded river bottoms they will slow down but then I still like to see them close to 10 mph. I turned a dog loose last winter in a bottom and he was 900+ yards treed before I could walk back and shut my tailgate. Went 18 mph across there. If a guy had one that did that all the time he would have something. They just don’t hardly make them though. I wish I had my name on the one I saw do it.

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I just can't wait until the middle of June when I will get to see some of those double digit hunters go.
Four miles per hr, 2 miles in 30 min, 1 mile in 15 min is plenty fast enough for me. Eight miles per hr, 4 miles in 30 min, 2 miles in 15 min, 1 miles in 7 1/2 minutes is way too fast for me. I can't imagine trying to keep up with a dog that proficiently hunted at 16 mph.

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I'm not sure where I got that misconception from.....

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The dog I'm speaking of was hunted up here for around 6 months. He won a pro classic, and several 30 and 50 entry hunts. We called him Big Doyle/ O'Doyle Rules. He wasn't everyone's type of dog. He could and did tree coons as he came to them. He was far from perfect. But he treed coons and won hunts. And he could look absolutely unbeatable at times.

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I got me a new alpha yesterday. I plugged it in to charge when I got home from work and after I got finished feeding the hounds and horses, doing my other chores and eating supper it was all charged up. So I sat in my recliner got out the owner's manual turned them on and started playing . After about 30 minutes of playing around I went the collar screen and it showed ole dog had been averaging 3.5 mph and he hadn't left my knee. LoL so I don't know how accurate them speeds are LoL.

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And my next question is how many have ever witnessed a high double digit dog? How many of you hunt walker dogs vs off color dogs?

If you've never seen it you'll be sceptical. I was sceptical myself before I saw it. Because the fastest I'd ever seen a dog move was 13 until I saw Doyle go.

And common misconception is that this type of hunter won't tree close. I saw him close at 55 yards and seen him far at 2 miles. But not the same night. If coons were moving her treed the close coons. I hated hunting against him in hunts, because he's get all of his and a good portion of yours and carry 100 strike. I never walked past any coons to him that I ever noticed. But we don't have that type of population here to know if you are or not. You can tell me he didn't acreage those numbers until your blue in the face. I hunted with him enough nights and long nights to know he could keep it up for longer than most people will ever hunt consecutive nights. IMO He was a freak. When 3 of us were hunting him to try n wear him down to possibly knock the "edge" off, we were never successful at doing it.

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Mine hunts at 2 miles per hour and trees coons. She just doesn't understand what's the big rush.

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