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I have a young dog 20 months old. Has every quality that I like in a dog. Has split with the coon and held pressure. Has a huge mouth with a great locate and change over. Very very accurate. Only walked to one slick with her so far as long as oppossum early on don't count. What she doesn't have is much hunt. Some times she just stands at your feet and some times she might range out 2-300 yards. Then other nights she will hunt. I have tried everything I can think of and not been successful. I've heard her breeding are late starters. Any advice?

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I'm not an expert by any sense of the word, but in my opinion I'd just give her time. She's still pretty young. If she's going and treeing some and doing decent she probably just needs a little time. Just hunt her as much as possible.

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She wipeout? Cause I got one the same way.

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I think when you start askin yourself that question, the time is near.

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You seem to be talking about heart.....a lacking of such. Heart, drive,
whatever you want to call it, it' don't come with age.

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I hear you I got one 18 months just the opposite will hunt like crazy more times than not be first strike. But for the life of me I can not get her to tree or stay on tree. Pop one out and she acts like she could care less.... All she is interested in is running track and on to the next one shows no interest what so Evers at tree. Tried tieing her back and shooting it out to other dogs now she just doesn't leave tree as bad but will not bark on tree at all... She has 3 world champions in her pedigree 2 are great grand parents one is her dad and is all grand except her mother. So I know it should be in there somewhere. 90 percent of what is hurting her is super low coon population she don't get to see them much. I think anyway

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Dogs do get more heart or drive to hunt with age. Pups are a simple proof of that. Iv had one do the exact thing you are saying and as he got older he quit hangin around and started hunting out. Most guys have no patience with dogs. But if you like the dog enough just give her some more time. Its all up to you and how much time you are willing to give her. But just for the record dogs do come out of this.

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I know what you all are going through. I have a 17 month female that will hunt as hard as you want with another dog. Will split tree and hold pressure but she does not like to go by herself. If she does she will only range out a couple hundred yards. I have tried everything and no results. If you all figure out how to correct let me know. Good luck

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I think when you start askin yourself that question, the time is near.

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U wouldn't happen to have an xpectation pup would u? I have one the same age and doing the exact same thing. She'll run track like crazy but won't tree.

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I've been asking myself when enough is enough for awhile now. She has got a lot better in the last 6 months, but still not what I want. I've only ever had one other dog that had no "heart" at a young age, the one day she had all the heart you could want. I guess that's why I've put so much hope into her switch clicking. As far as her breeding, she is out of cold sweat and a female out of x and jane.

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U wouldn't happen to have an xpectation pup would u? I have one the same age and doing the exact same thing. She'll run track like crazy but won't tree.

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It's all in what you want and can handle. I had one that I carted to NC at 17 or 18 months for SETW Days and she was a double cast winner, placed Friday night. Treed 8-9 coons in 2 nights... Every single one was by herself. Brought her home and as the tracks got better, the more she stood at my feet. I walk hunted her in good coon population and she got better with age. She's going to be 5 this summer and is still doing a nice job and winning. She has probably won 40 or 50 casts in the last 2 years. I wouldn't recommend being rough with her or switching her. It seems like she enjoys being around you.

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I would take her out with another dog,cut her loose,leave the other dog in the box. When she comes back, put her right back in the box, get your other dog out hunt that dog.
Leave her in there a drop or two, cut her loose again the minute she comes back in put her back in the box. Do this for 3 to 4 weeks.

Have you tried this?

If you see that she starts to become hard to catch but it doesn't make her hunt harder, I would try something else.

Have you treated her for limes? This can really bog a dog down.

Have you tried an extended lay up. 3 to 4 weeks, this also seems to put a little extra hustle.

Some dogs obviously will always be close hunters, and others are wide hunters but the three things I listed above, imo will make the most difference, when it comes to getting a little extra hunt.

At the end of the day, I will take a laid back close hunting treeing coon all night behind the other dogs, kinda dog then a straight lined mile deep hot nosed slick treeing fool.

Hard hunting doesn't equal coon dog. So imo if you have a dog where you can only find one fault in it, thats a dog worth waiting for.

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I have tried all you have mentioned. I vaccinate for lime every year. She has only one fault so I am going to give her more time and just single her out and not run her with another dog all season.

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Does she have a hunt command?

If you have big enough woods have you tried hunting her with out an e collar?

Casting her out in a field?

Hunting her in more open woods? some times these woods up here in pa, are tougher on a dog then one would think.
Sounds like you are doing all the right things! Bol!

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does this dog wear a e collar ?

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does this dog wear a e collar ?

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Sounds to me like she is just a close hunter, she should win her fair share of casts though if she hunts in her own direction. I wouldn't worry about it if she is accurate, and independent. I bet over time she will hunt out more and more. You did say she has progressed a lot over the past 6 months, so I would assume she will only continue to do so.

Another thing I have done, is giving them a quick switch, as I unsnap the lead, this seems to give them a little extra hustle, and to communicate to hurry up.

I would imagine though if you prefer a dog that hunts a 1000 yards deep, you may not ever be satisfied, and it may be better to cut your losses. I guess your the only one that can answer that question.

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she ever been bumped for trash ?

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U wouldn't happen to have an xpectation pup would u? I have one the same age and doing the exact same thing. She'll run track like crazy but won't tree.

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she ever been bumped for trash ?

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Its coming from the cain side

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This female isn't out of Cain. She's out of janey. But the othe female I had with the same issue, that came out of it, was direct out of cain.

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The trick dog has been throwing some nice pups an all I have seen out of him hunts hard.

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