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The 4 or 5 most accurate dogs Ive ever been with rarely made a den from spring till fall and didn't make many even in the winter. I had a dog out of Wessels Wild Card that I tracked every tree he made from Nov 1st to Feb 28th with no leaves. He was about 81% counting dens as slick and about 88% not. Ive had and seen a 1000 that couldn't touch it and can count on one hand the ones Ive been with that I thought was as good or better then that.

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Went out lastnite dog treed 5 trees,4 trees had a coon seen,and the 5th tree had 2 coon seen in it,,does that mean my dog is 120% percent accurate,,,lol

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I hunt a blue dog too Vic! LOL!! Hunted with some crossbreed hounds once upon a time. 2 in particular where accurate the same in Dec through the rut. Why would they loose Accuracy any time of year? Maybe unseen I agree.....but a dog that can show 46 out of 50 trees has obviously been around long enough to learn the tricks coons can through

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I have hunted in SD, IA, MN, NE, KS, WI, OH, IN, TN, CO, MT, MI, and I'm prolly missing a state or two. Point is I have seen firsthand how different the trees, land, and even coons are. I totally understand why you Indiana boys throw the B.S. Flag when you hear people talking about 80-95% accurate dogs. Hell I have a heck of a hard time finding coon every time I go to Indiana for Oaks. It is a lot easier when I come out in March for Leopard days but still .... Y'all's trees are tall and thick! But to make blanket statements like you guys are making seems a little foolish to me. Have any of you hunted in terrain like this?



Mostly scrub oak, the tallest trees are maybe 30' tall, most den trees are short snarly, oaks that are real easy to climb and look in the den holes. You can almost always shine a tree real good with the leaves on and it's not even fair when the leaves are off. Usually only takes a few seconds to tell if it is slick or not. This is what most of the stuff I pleasure/hide hunt looks like ( this is a pic of one of my hunting spots) and yes I am one of those guys who claims to have a 90+% accurate dog. I may not see that many eyes in Indiana with him but I sure do in my woods. 70% accurate in my woods is pushing the limit of what I'll feed.

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After hunting this kind of ground for years on end I have come to a few conclusions. The very accurate dogs tree VERY FEW dens. When a real accurate dogs tree on a den, if you climb it, they almost always have a coon in them. The dogs that have bad accuracy tree lots more dens and they often don't have a coon in them if you climb them. In my opinion over 75% of the trees that get circled in a hunt (nationwide) are SLICK! If I had my way there would only be plus or minus and do away with minusing out.

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Treed twice the other night, seen first 1, 2nd tree beech with hole in bottom of tree. 50% right there. I can live with that! Does that mean my dog is 50% "ACCURATE"????


I completely understand the coon seen/unseen and agree with y'all! But how about these folks that get on here and say there dog tree 50 times and seen 46? Do you believe them?


Yes or no??????

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[i]Originally posted by Vic Stoll [/ From mid December on through the rut, as you well know those "coon seen" percentages will drop. [/B]

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I hunt a blue dog too Vic! LOL!! Hunted with some crossbreed hounds once upon a time. 2 in particular where accurate the same in Dec through the rut. Why would they loose Accuracy any time of year? Maybe unseen I agree.....but a dog that can show 46 out of 50 trees has obviously been around long enough to learn the tricks coons can through

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I'm talking using JiM's coon seen/coon not seen method. I guarantee you, during mid December on through the rut in this country, your den percentages will go up.

As I stated earlier in this post, the several more accurate ones I have followed treed very few dens, the majority they did tree over a years's time were mid December through the rut.

On a side note, I had a hunt the other night where my potlicker was 0%. Could I cheat a little & count the possum for 1%

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I had one that was 4%!!!!! LOL!! No joke!!!! I mean, she probably treed 100 times and seen coon in 4 trees!!! Ain't that pittiful!!!!!

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I hold with Kaya, some of it is terrain, but a lot is what yer willing to put up with. I live in se minn and I've shot dogs that were better than 50% and most of them were spotted.

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Vic you ant kidding about the rut.When it gets bad cold and there breeding they find a coon motel to stay in and don't wonder far from it.
kayapellijed390 some of these trees are hard to shine.Heck last time I hunted my dog would tree I would shine,squall,shake and not find nothing.Id send her on and look back and there would be 2 eyes looking down.Treed 6 coons that night and half wouldn't look till the dogs were lead away.
One thing is forsure if you have a hot nosed dog they are a lot more accurate.They will prolly pass up more coons than they tree and go twice as far to tree a coon.Some people love that kind but I can't stand to see a dog run by coon to find a easy one.

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the dogs ive seen that were 90+%ers using jims scorecard were so hot nosed they almost had to see the coon climb before theyd tree.
I certainly haven't seen every dog in the world though.

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the dogs ive seen that were 90+%ers using jims scorecard were so hot nosed they almost had to see the coon climb before theyd tree.
I certainly haven't seen every dog in the world though.

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Coon seen has always been the method I use. I do not know why anyone would use any other method. Trying to make their self feel better I guess.

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I put this theory to the test a couple years ago. Took 5 of the most wanted final 4 to be in and averaged them out to dogs backing on trees with no coons seen. I believe a coondog should wind up under a coon no matter the circumstances they are put under but all those final4 averaged out they were 39%. Get tired of 95% being advertised on Internet for sale. This argument will always have variables. Time of year location. Dog will usually be more accurate in northern Indiana than in southern swamps.

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If I was to look at percentages on coon seen vs circle trees, I would keep track of the percentage of coon seen, and a percentage of circles. Statistically its the only way you could even come close to figuring out the most accurate hounds. But you also need another common factor between the 2.

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I could never see any point in keeping track of circles since there is no possible way to know if a circle tree has a coon or not. What's the point in keeping track of something totally unknown?

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I could never see any point in keeping track of circles since there is no possible way to know if a circle tree has a coon or not. What's the point in keeping track of something totally unknown?

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On a side note, I had a hunt the other night where my potlicker was 0%. Could I cheat a little & count the possum for 1%

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Im not gonna lie I've seen a bunch of them ol goose egg nights...

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And I ve seen it out of walkers, blues, english, black and tans and plotts. Can't say I've ever seen a redbone even tree a coon so I can't speak for them LOL jk jk!

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I could never see any point in keeping track of circles since there is no possible way to know if a circle tree has a coon or not. What's the point in keeping track of something totally unknown?

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