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With the option to keep a dog on the leash if there is another dog treed or turn loose how long after scoring your tree do you have to decide if you want to turn loose or stay on the leash? How long/far can you walk your dog off the tree before turning back loose if that is your choice?

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The decision to use your option to stay on the leash has to be made right after the scoring of your tree. If you go with this option you cannot change your mind your dog remains on the leash until you've scored the next ones tree unless it is determined that the dog has left the tree then you recut.
If you instead choose to recut off of your tree if there is another dog treed you are able to lead as far away as you are comfortable within reason UKC doesn't have a set time. If no dogs are treed and any dog(s) have been struck in you recut when a dog barks on trail (8 minute rule for barking on trail is in play in this scenario before you can recut even with the no leash lock rule).

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
The decision to use your option to stay on the leash has to be made right after the scoring of your tree. If you go with this option you cannot change your mind your dog remains on the leash until you've scored the next ones tree unless it is determined that the dog has left the tree then you recut.
If you instead choose to recut off of your tree if there is another dog treed you are able to lead as far away as you are comfortable within reason UKC doesn't have a set time. If no dogs are treed and any dog(s) have been struck in you recut when a dog barks on trail (8 minute rule for barking on trail is in play in this scenario before you can recut even with the no leash lock rule).

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X2 Dan, without a time limit set you can walk pretty much as far as u want

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Thanks guys

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The key with the leash lock rule is to keep dogs competing with each other, which is why a leashed dog is recut after hearing a running dog (declared struck) actually opening. Dogs opening should/would determine how far the distance traveled to actually recut would be in some cases, coupled with the judges discretion.

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What it means is you don’t have to have first strike to win anymore and if ole deep and alone gets out of pocket we will tree coons walking to him.



Contrary to belief coons are social animals I score a tree I want to cut mine immediately!! Because there might be anouther one close.



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Some day the rest of the world will realize what a genius Tar really is or was depending on how long it takes!

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Tar/Genius in one sentence may just be an oxymoron. Lol. Dave

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Tar is a walking encyclopedia on coonhunting and you might as well get on board!! Lol

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Tar already knows what a genius he is and he doesn't care what everyone else thinks. We are just fortunate that he is willing to share his knowledge and experiences with the rest of us that aren't as fortunate.

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NOW... y'all are beginning to catch on!!! We need to start a ground swell " MAKE COONHUNTING GREAT AGAIN" TAR for president!

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The key with the leash lock rule is to keep dogs competing with each other, which is why a leashed dog is recut after hearing a running dog (declared struck) actually opening. Dogs opening should/would determine how far the distance traveled to actually recut would be in some cases, coupled with the judges discretion.

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That’s what I was thinking too with no time limit you can walk your dog as far as you’d like really. I was on a cast and walked about a minute and re cast and my dog goes back to the same tree, of course, then we had to go score another dog that was 800 yards away, by the time we got back to mine the hunt was over. In reality I could have just walked him halfway there and then re cast, then I’m sure he wouldn’t have went back to the same tree. Just stuff to think about/learn from.

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Putting a set time of 30 seconds or 1 minute was up for vote at the rules discussion last year at Autumn Oaks. It did not pass. I can tell you that a lot of the discussion referenced the freedom to walk a little more or less depending on your surroundings and of course taking the other dogs in the cast into consideration.

UKC's position on this is to leave it up to the appointed judge to make sure that handlers don't walk any more or less than is deemed necessary. No competent, respectable judge would let you walk that far without cutting loose.

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What if you score a dog on tree and no other dogs are struck in?


So if another dog is struck in you have to hear a dog bark before you cut back loose?

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Your right like tar or hate him he don’t care. Buuuuuuut how many were unselfish enough to battle for you for 6 long years to get you the rules you got to enjoy ?



Because your just sheep you wait for sombody else to do the work then criticize them because Lordy goodness they know how it works.



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I paid my dues I don’t owe y’all squat.

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Putting a set time of 30 seconds or 1 minute was up for vote at the rules discussion last year at Autumn Oaks. It did not pass. I can tell you that a lot of the discussion referenced the freedom to walk a little more or less depending on your surroundings and of course taking the other dogs in the cast into consideration.

UKC's position on this is to leave it up to the appointed judge to make sure that handlers don't walk any more or less than is deemed necessary. No competent, respectable judge would let you walk that far without cutting loose.

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Respectable or not as a judge, you can’t make a handle do something that isn’t in the rules. Even if tar says so.... it can work for you or against you. You might get the raw end of the deal from it or you may benefit from. Bottom line is you can pretty well walk as far as you want to.

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I like the idea of a set walk time to re-cut too. I'm not sure how practical that is, for various reasons. The problem with a discussion on the practicality of not having a "hard and fast" rule is, there is a lot of variation in how a recast can take place (to your point).

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Originally posted by yadkintar
1. There is no punishment for going back to a tree in ukc.
2. I didn’t say it was a rule I train mine to recut from the tree.
3. You can’t tree coons on the leash.
4. If I have a dog that will tree his own coon and get a piece of your coon with these rules it’s going to long night for you.


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Originally posted by yadkintar
1. There is no punishment for going back to a tree in ukc.
2. I didn’t say it was a rule I train mine to recut from the tree.
3. You can’t tree coons on the leash.
4. If I have a dog that will tree his own coon and get a piece of your coon with these rules it’s going to long night for you.


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