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What's really a trip Is people applying human terminology to animals, while inbreeding is taboo in humans it's real common in animals. You can get the best or worst traits by inbreeding, you just have to know what traits are dominant and desired. In the wild inbreeding is very common with animals, some good results and some not so good, but it's been going on since time began and will continue. Dave

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You are correct as usual, survival of the fittest is mother nature's way of culling the weak . Man gives as much support to the weak as he does to the strong, just as you said, man does not really know what the best in any litter, he is just guessing. Nature appears to be cruel in man's eyes, but survival of a species is more important than survival of a weak offspring. Without man's interference many of today's domesticated species would not survive long in the wild. Dave

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"Inbreeding was done a lot in ancient times many Kings and queens were closely inbred"

Cleopatra parents was brother and sister, then she married her younger brother and later killed him so her son would sit on the throne.

Could that be why we started having a little heat at the tree??? Because someone was a "hard" tree dog, ruff, but a hard tree dog so they bred to him/her and then half brother sister crosses and so on and so on. You have to cull when you breed like this and the one who has to do it is the owner of the litter. They are the ones who see first hand how they act as puppies. As is written in Mr Wehle's column, you have to know what is inherent not trained when line/inbreeding.

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Inbreeding/line breeding happens in people more than we think. Go to Walmart....

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It is mother nature’s law...SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST...

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Survival of the fittest or survival of the meanest or most aggressive?

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Inbreeding- linebreeding is the same thing. It should never be done that's what produces two headed animals and inferior immune systems. I have always wondered if that's how we got thyroid dogs.
When it was tried in hogs and cattle in started with leg problems, feet problems all kinds of joint issue's, not to mention some was so stupid they couldn't find the feed trough.
This is why we all should be looking more at the x-breed. It's a fact that crossbreeds are more rugged and healthy in most cases. With that said you still need to be breeding coon dogs to coon dogs.
I don't know if there is anything that hurts a breed more then breeding so called BROOD BITCHES. If that hound can't run and tree a coon , and she don't have a good mouth, and good conformation don't breed her. A simple 22 will help a breed out tremendously. If my female accidentally got in-breed I would pay for the shot to make her abort the pups.

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Inbreeding/line breeding happens in people more than we think. Go to Walmart....

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If your in Walmart the other people might be saying the same thing about you.

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Inbreeding- linebreeding is the same thing. It should never be done that's what produces two headed animals and inferior immune systems. I have always wondered if that's how we got thyroid dogs.
When it was tried in hogs and cattle in started with leg problems, feet problems all kinds of joint issue's, not to mention some was so stupid they couldn't find the feed trough.
This is why we all should be looking more at the x-breed. It's a fact that crossbreeds are more rugged and healthy in most cases. With that said you still need to be breeding coon dogs to coon dogs.
I don't know if there is anything that hurts a breed more then breeding so called BROOD BITCHES. If that hound can't run and tree a coon , and she don't have a good mouth, and good conformation don't breed her. A simple 22 will help a breed out tremendously. If my female accidentally got in-breed I would pay for the shot to make her abort the pups.

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You might want to google Superior Pointers.

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Obviously, the writer of your article failed. Superior Pointers is very successful.

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To each his own opinion, but there are a lot of success stories from inbreeding. There has never been a new breed of any animal without heavy linebreeding. We CAN NOT apply our human morals and thought process to animals, it's definitely not the same. Any breeding program that's successful must be willing to cull hard and have the sense to know what traits are good and what traits are bad as to what you are trying to achieve in your breeding program. Inbreeding intensifies all traits both good and bad, but if the good out weighs the bad, it is a success. Dave

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I don't know if there is anything that hurts a breed more then breeding so called BROOD BITCHES. If that hound can't run and tree a coon , and she don't have a good mouth, and good conformation don't breed her.

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Originally posted by BuckeyeBoys
Inbreeding- linebreeding is the same thing. It should never be done that's what produces two headed animals and inferior immune systems. I have always wondered if that's how we got thyroid dogs.
When it was tried in hogs and cattle in started with leg problems, feet problems all kinds of joint issue's, not to mention some was so stupid they couldn't find the feed trough.
This is why we all should be looking more at the x-breed. It's a fact that crossbreeds are more rugged and healthy in most cases. With that said you still need to be breeding coon dogs to coon dogs.
I don't know if there is anything that hurts a breed more then breeding so called BROOD BITCHES. If that hound can't run and tree a coon , and she don't have a good mouth, and good conformation don't breed her. A simple 22 will help a breed out tremendously. If my female accidentally got in-breed I would pay for the shot to make her abort the pups.

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I've raised running hounds most of my life. I kept the same line of dogs for a many years with very few out crosses. Since they where running dogs I was able to keep whole litters and go through them and keep the ones I liked and go from there. To make a long story short I'll say this. All my dogs looked alike ran alike sounded a like. The only time I got that outstanding hound was when I crossed a outside dog on my line bred dogs. But they would be hit and miss some would be sorry when they had a littermate burning it up. My line bred dogs seemed the whole litter was the same but nothing outstanding just good solid hounds. Having running hounds you can train 20 at one time and see alot where a measuring of tree dogs of this way would be impossible. But the principal is the same. If you really want to learn about how to breed hounds find you a running dog man that's been at it awhile that's had success for a many years. And he will teach you something. Just by the volume of dogs that that person has seen. By the time a running dog is 2 it will be what it's going to be.

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I've fox hunted with a man that's a good bit older than me for a long time, so that means he's real old. He is totally against line breeding, in fact he said I was crazy for how I breed my dogs. He breeds to what ever that's winning. He will get one that will wear you out for a couple of years then a good long dry spell. Then 5 years later he's back on top kicking my butt. But he forgets about the 5 years in between I was tearing his butt up. So you can look for that fluke or stay steady it's up to you. Of course that top coondog will tear butt up for 8 years if you can find that good one.

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GOOOD GRAVY THIS TOPIC RUFFLES SOME FEATHERS
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LOOKS TO ME AS INBREEDING CAN BE DONE AND SUCCESSFUL...BUT ITS GOT TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOIN...

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And this too...


A PERSON THAT SAYS..."OH IVE BEEN DOIN THIS FOR 50 YEARS ,YOU CANT TELL ME A DADGUM THING!!"

WELL THIS IS WITH EVERYTHING..

YEAH YOU BEEN DOIN IT FOR 50 YEARS BUT YOU BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR 50 DAM YEARS..


A PERSON THATS BEEN DOING IT RIGHT FOR 10 YEARS HAS GOT AN UPPER HAND ON THE HARD HEADED KNOW IT ALL FOOL THATS BEEN DOIN IT WRONG FOR 50 YEARS..

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Inbreeding- linebreeding is the same thing. It should never be done that's what produces two headed animals and inferior immune systems. I have always wondered if that's how we got thyroid dogs.
When it was tried in hogs and cattle in started with leg problems, feet problems all kinds of joint issue's, not to mention some was so stupid they couldn't find the feed trough.
This is why we all should be looking more at the x-breed. It's a fact that crossbreeds are more rugged and healthy in most cases. With that said you still need to be breeding coon dogs to coon dogs.
I don't know if there is anything that hurts a breed more then breeding so called BROOD BITCHES. If that hound can't run and tree a coon , and she don't have a good mouth, and good conformation don't breed her. A simple 22 will help a breed out tremendously. If my female accidentally got in-breed I would pay for the shot to make her abort the pups.

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I got a buddy that raises bucking bulls. To get some of their best ones they breed them back to their sister or mother. But he also said what also makes them quality buckers also makes them hard to keep in a fence and mean and hyper and destructive.




Sound familiar ?



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Now there's a false statement.

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all of this is total Bull except the 22 will help.

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
What's really a trip Is people applying human terminology to animals, while inbreeding is taboo in humans it's real common in animals. You can get the best or worst traits by inbreeding, you just have to know what traits are dominant and desired. In the wild inbreeding is very common with animals, some good results and some not so good, but it's been going on since time began and will continue. Dave

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The best dogs I ever owned came from three men and the foundation female I used was out of a world champion coon and squirrel dog and out of one of his best daughters...I line bred and inbred 7 generations from those dogs...and the very best pups I picked as best I could for hunting and breeding...every pup I kept made early starting dogs that could do it alone or with company...

Got out of it for a few years and I have gone through many culls and sometimes the pups I keep I will get rid of before a year of age because I am not looking for average...

When we breed our own we have a better chance of keeping the best of them...breed for natural ability...the ones that don’t require much training...just exposure and showing them the game we want...there are lots of little things to look at in a pup...

For instance; can the pup take a whooping and get back up in their face or will it cower for the next three months or will it be ruined...I don’t like either of those options..,

Those that get back up in their face excite me...and when they are on track to becoming a better than average dog is exciting as well...breeding this way begets more of the same more often than not...

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