HistoryNutt
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THE LIPPER STRIN - HOUSE' QUEEN LOU
I have put this up on the other boards so with the interest in what is going on right now I will put it up here. I expect there will be input from time to time to keep it up and alive.
Is it time to start talking about a Lipper Strain?? A serious question and for good reason. I know the first impulse might be to say, what are you talking about he is House Bred.
But what is Yadkin River? What is Lone Pine? What is Clover? What is Spring Creek? What is Sailor Boy?
Well lets take Sailor Boy. The Sailor Strain is HERSHBERGER bred. But a couple of dogs with a different name came from that strain that had an impact and people started talking about the Sailor strain of hounds.
Well House's Lipper has had an impact too. Bigger then maybe most realize. Even though he does have some House Bred hounds in him, he also has a lot more of some of the other hounds that made an impact on the breed. The combination of these strains is what made Lipper. In a later post I will try to go into how much of the House Strain he has in him compared to some of the other dogs in his pedigree.
This is not an attempt to take away from the House Strain but give credit to the other strains that combined together made Lipper which is The Lipper Strain.
With the arrival in a few days of some brand new puppies out of House's Lipper maybe it is time to actually talk about the Lipper Strain and the impact it has had on the breed. Doesn't he deserve this much?
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Originally posted by C.Gibson
Hey history nut.. What can you tell us about House's tom tom? Back in the day that was the blood I loved. Tom Tom, & Clint. Both led to lipper.
Okay before I start let me do a disclaimer. 
"Okay your House freaks said with a smile, the information I am going to post here and in later posts is in NO WAY meant to take anything away from Joe House and the important part he had on the breed. It is not meant to diminish his importance or to bash him in anyway. It is also not meant to give more credit then what is due.
To talk about a strain we will need a fountain head for that strain. I would think that HOUSE'S QUEEN would be considered the Fountain Head of the House's Strain.
Let's start with HOUSE'S TOM TOM. Would most consider him a House Bred Hound? Tom Tom was out of Kaw River Chief and Tinsley's Kansas Tess.
Kaw River Chief was out of House's Chief and Johnson's Kansas Rose.
House's Chief was out of Johnson's Banjo and House's Queen.
Kansas Rose was out of Staley's Paducah Chief and Hershberger's Kansas Sally.
Tom Tom's mother Tinsley's Kansas Tess was out of Bun's Jack and Tinsley's Kansas Jane. What many may not realize is that there was another Tinsley's Kansas Tess that had as much if not more impact then Tom Tom's mother Tess. The original Tinsley's Kansas Tess is in Tom's mother background numerous times. She was out of Mack Twain and a female out of Indiana Boone Boy and Forrester's Sue. Her mother was a litter mate to Forrester's Bell, Motley's Mo. Major's mother.
So House's Tom Tom's mother goes back to Mack Twain at least 3 times, Indiana Boone Boy at least 4 times, Forrester's Sue at least 4 time, Motley's Mo. Major, Merchant's Bawlie, Hershberger's Little Butch.
Tom Tom's Daddy Kaw River Chief as stated goes back to Johnson's Banjo and House's Queen. But in all fairness if you was going to call Tom Tom as House Bred because of his Grandfather's mother, couldn't you also make the argument he is Banjo bred?
Tom Tom's grand pa is House's Chief. That is the only place you get House and since Chief was out of Banjo why not Banjo bred?
Kaw River Chief's mother Kansas Rose goes back to Nance's Joe Williams, Mack Twain, Hershberger's Okla. Spot, Hershberger's Texas Babe, Indians Boone Boy, Forrester's Sue, White River Boone at least 2 times, and Hershberger's Spot Jr.
So there you have it for the most part. What strain is Tom Tom?
Okay, now lets start on HOUSE'S CLINT. His daddy is HOUSE'S TOM TOM which above. Clint's mama Kentuck Judy goes back to TARLETON'S BAWLING BOWSER on her top side. Bowser was one of the top dogs of his day. He was not only a good tree dog he had a cold nose and could run a track like it was suppose to be run.
Bowser was bred to BIXLER'S SUNNY SALLY, (FINLEY RIVER CHIEF's sister) to produce BUCK CREEK ROWDY. Rowdy in turn produced SIMMON'S DOUBLE DEE, (the daddy of VANCE'S CROWDING BILLY) and PROCTOR'S MELODY BILL the daddy of RUTAN'S BEAR CREEK PRINCESS who is the mother of OWEN'S HARDWOOD BOZO.
I am only go into this here to give you an idea of the impact he had.
The other dogs on the top side of Judy are MERCHANT'S BAWLIE 2 times, MERHANT'S BUGLAR, INDIANA BOONE BOY, WHITE RIVER ROWDY, WHITE RIVER KING, MACK TWAIN.
On Judy's mother's side you have INDIANA BOONE BOY and FORRESTER'S SUE, MACK TWAIN, BUCK CREEK KING who was out of KENTUCKY SPOT (another top hound of his day, he was a very fast track dog and was hard to beat in the hunts,) and BIXLER'S SUPREME SALLY.
There are some holes in her pedigree that I'm not sure about so won't mention them until I can confirm it but there is some more important dogs of the past in her pedigree.
So there you have it for the most part on HOUSE'S CLINT. He doesn't pick up anymore House dogs in his pedigree but does at more MACK TWAIN, INDIANA BOONE BOY, FORRESTER'S SUE and others.
Okay now lets deal with Lipper's mother HOUSE'S QUEEN LOU. If ever there was a place for someone to make the argument that Lipper was House bred it would be through her. But even at that if you will check what I said about the other dogs on his daddy's side and look at his mama's side you will find some of the old dogs showing up a lot more times then others.
Queen Lou was out of SHIVE'S GOLDHILL TOM and SHIVE'S GOLDHILL LOU.
Goldhill Tom was out of HOUSE'S CHIEF and SHIVE'S GOLDHILL QUEEN.
Of course House's Chief was out of JOHNSON'S BANJO and HOUSE'S QUEEN. Goldhill Queen was out of HOUSE'S BAWLIE and HOUSE'S JUDY.
Of course Bawlie was out of Elmer and HOUSE'S QUEEN.
House's Judy was out of JOHNSON'S BANJO and HOUSE'S CANDY. Candy was out of MERCHANT'S BUGLAR and MERCHANT'S HAPPY. Happy was out of HI LAND BOZO and BRIAR RIDGE SUSIE.
SHIVE'S GOLDHILL LOU was out of STAN'S SAILOR JR. and WRIGHT'S SUE.
Wright's Sue is I believe thought of by the creator of the Yadkin River Line as the Fountain Head of that line. Yadkin River Jeff's daddy WRIGHT'S PISTOL PETE is a littermate to GOLDHILL LOU.
Stan's Sailor Jr. is out of STAN'S SAILOR BOY and MONROE'S BETTY.
Sailor Boy is out of HERSHBERGER'S SPOT JR. and HERSHBERGER'S KANSAS ROSE. Kansas Rose is out of HERSHBERGER'S LITTLE BUTCH.
Monroe's Betty is out of Ohio Blaze and Corn's Judy. Blaze is out of Rambling Rowdy and Roxie Ann. Corn's Judy is out of MERCHANT'S BAWLIE and the original TINSLEY'S KANSAS TESS. Tess was out of MACK TWAIN and TEXAS BEAUTY QUEEN who was out of INDIANA BOONE BOY and FORRESTER'S SUE.
WRIGHT'S SUE is out of HOUSE'S BAWLIE and TUT'S TILLIE. Of course with Bawlie we again pick up HOUSE'S QUEEN. TUT'S TILLE was a Dual Grand Ch. out of an interesting cross. Tillie's daddy was BAWLIE'S ROCK and her mother was CAROLINA KATE.
Bawlie's Rock was out of MERCHANT'S BAWLIE and MERCHANT'S FANNY (the 1959 World Champion). Fanny was out of INCREDIBLE ROCK. The 1951 and 1952 World Champion.
CAROLINA KATE was out of SHETLER'S SONNY BOY and BUNKER HILL QUEEN. Queen was out of INCREDIBLE ROCK and NANCE'S JANE who was out of WHITE RIVER BOONE
Now there are a few holes I need to fill on this side and the father's side of LIPPER. I think I know what a lot of them are but don't want to list them until I am sure. But most is some of the same old foundation stock that keeps on showing up in his pedigree. MACK TWAIN, HERSHBERGER'S SPOT JR., INDIANA BOONE BOY, FORRESTER'S SUE, WHITE RIVER BOONE, etc.
So there you have it for the most part the dogs behind THE LIPPER STRAIN. I will add more as I fill the few holes remaining.
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Last edited by HistoryNutt on 07-11-2010 at 11:47 PM
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07-11-2010 04:26 PM
Good start? You go right ahead and keep having your fits of nostalgia looking at old pictures and dreaming of the "old days" I was hunting at that time and dont miss them a bit.
BARRY GREEN 
