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This is a spin-off of “how were they trained?”...
How do you select a pup or young dog to be a potential “big winner”?

I think it has to be the perfect combination of training (trainer) and the right dog to be a winner in tough competition...


So what type of pup or dog does it take???
What type of socialization and exposure as a pup?

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I pick a pup with a stout bottom side. Rarely, do you see winners or above average dogs carry a sub par bottom side pedigree or performer.

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I pick a pup from their actions. I want a pup that prefers my attention over food. Intelligence is the number and their desire to please me are first and foremost things that i check for. Their scenting ability and style of using there nose. There parents need to pass my approval as well.

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Starts with the PED, and like high ridge focus on the ladies. It takes me
5 to 6 yrs to find a dog worthy to breed to. ( Black and tan's have less options unless you like pack dogs). So I pretty much keep a score card on all the pups. At 4 weeks old I have a chalk board in the kennel with a list of things I value in a dog. The pups get points if they show me something I like. I started doing this cause I tend to favor the pup that looks most like the sire or dam. I weed out the ones with too much aggression. I look at conformation to avoid a dog that is going to be prone to injury. Then look for drive and grit and style of tracking. Then throw all that out the window cause the best two hounds I have ever owned were the ones left out of the litter that know one else wanted LOL.

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After hunting and training hounds for over 60 years I have a unique way of picking a pup. Last year my friend had a litter of 11 pups. He asked me if I wanted one. I told him to sell what he could and I would take the one that was left. She treed a coon alone on her first trip to the woods at 6 months and 28 days and has been treeing them consistently ever since. She's the most natural pup I ever raised.

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Take the last one left. That way you don't have to second guess if you picked the right one.

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Take the whole litter, that way you know you get the best one! Lol

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It’s luck of the draw you will never know wat you have until it’s old enough to start foolin with, jam up pedigree or not

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The dog that gets put in the right hunters hands. No matter the pick order. Biggest deciding factor hands down.

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Picking a pup is just like buying a lottery ticket, but you have to wait a least a year to see if you have a Winner ...

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When you don’t know much about the sire and dam and the only thing you know is hearsay...

The thing about hearsay means different things to different people so when you pick a pup from this type of situation it is like playing the lottery...you can test these pups and not like the end result...I’ve given away pups that I bought and they turned out ok but not to my standards...

I also bought dogs from way up north that were supposed to be good out of a certain bloodline and neither had a good nose...I bred that female to my main dog and got rid of all the pups by ten months of age...some made good dogs but I figured that the bloodline wasn’t what it needed to be...

A great foundation is most important in producing a high percentage of good dogs from a litter of pups...

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The dog that gets put in the right hunters hands. No matter the pick order. Biggest deciding factor hands down.

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I respectfully disagree...
I believe the better answer is putting the right pup in the right hands...

You can be the greatest trainer of racing greyhounds

and he was given a beagle of the highest qualities to race and beat the greyhounds...could that best trainer ever get that beagle to win even 1 race?

If you want a great hound you need a top puppy and if you want that puppy to reach his potential then you need a top handler...

The puppy would have to be raised right as well...there are minimal requirements that need to be met...my opinion

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A bad trainer can make a good pup bad but a good trainer can't make a bad pup good.

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Originally posted by Reuben
I respectfully disagree...
I believe the better answer is putting the right pup in the right hands...

You can be the greatest trainer of racing greyhounds

and he was given a beagle of the highest qualities to race and beat the greyhounds...could that best trainer ever get that beagle to win even 1 race?

If you want a great hound you need a top puppy and if you want that puppy to reach his potential then you need a top handler...

The puppy would have to be raised right as well...there are minimal requirements that need to be met...my opinion

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Your logic greyhounds/ beagles has no logic period......

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Pick the ugly one. Good lord always gives an offset to a bad feature with a good feature. If they dont have the looks going for them then maybe they have the ability!

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the first pup to get out of the welp box and take a dump....that's the one

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Originally posted by Reuben
You agreed with picking any pup in the litter...that it was the hunter that made the pup...

I gave an example of what would happen to a top trainer that took a dog that could never win...even if he were the greatest trainer...

My example might not of been the best...

Picking any pup in the litter does not make a great dog just because a great handler/hunter raises and trains the pup...the pup has to have what it takes to make a top hunting dog...

If the pup doesn’t have it the only thing the great handler can do is train the pup to its maximum potential...and that’s if he keeps it that long...great handlers wouldn’t keep a pup like that very long on account they recognize the lack of top potential early on...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Reuben
I respectfully disagree...
I believe the better answer is putting the right pup in the right hands...

You can be the greatest trainer of racing greyhounds

and he was given a beagle of the highest qualities to race and beat the greyhounds...could that best trainer ever get that beagle to win even 1 race?

If you want a great hound you need a top puppy and if you want that puppy to reach his potential then you need a top handler...

The puppy would have to be raised right as well...there are minimal requirements that need to be met...my opinion

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Read High Ridge post in how they were trained......it's in plain English most of today's dogs do not have a chance or is everyone raising culls? I think not ,The world beater in the wrong hands is just another dog in the kennel, the average dog with a good dog man looks pretty slick in 30 days.....

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