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I hear about so many dogs getting Erlichia . What exactly is it and can you vaccinate to prevent

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quote:
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I hear about so many dogs getting Erlichia . What exactly is it and can you vaccinate to prevent


It's a tick transmitted infection that leads to many problems listed below in dogs. There is not effective vaccination. Tick prevention is the best way to prevent the disease in your dogs. If you aren't using Simparica for flea and tick prevention then now would be a good time to start. Coupled with Permethrin spray, it's about as good as it gets.

Ehrlichiosis in Dogs
Drs. Foster & Smith Educational Staff
Canine ehrlichiosis is a disease of dogs and wild canids (e.g.; wolves) and is found worldwide. Canine ehrlichiosis is also
known by other names such as 'tracker dog disease,' 'tropical canine pancytopenia,' 'canine hemorrhagic fever,' and 'canine
typhus.' It affected a large number of military dogs in the war in Vietnam.
What causes ehrlichiosis?
Ehrlichiosis in dogs is most commonly caused by Ehrlichia canis, E. chaffeensis, E. ewingii, and possibly E. ruminantium.
There are multiple strains of Ehrlichia, affecting different species of animals. Some also affect people. Some organisms that
were formerly classified as Ehrlichia have now been reclassfied as Anaplasma. The Ehrlichia organisms are what we call
rickettsia, which on the evolutionary scale are between bacteria and viruses.
How is Ehrlichia transmitted?
Ehrlichia are transmitted by ticks including the Brown Dog Tick, Rhipicephalus sanguineus and the Lone Star Tick
Amblyomma americanum. The immature form of the tick feeds on an animal infected with Ehrlichia. When these immature
ticks or a mature form of the tick feeds on another animal, the Ehrlichia is passed on to that animal. The Ehrlichia can remain
alive in the developing tick for up to 5 months. This means a tick could become infected in the fall, and infect a dog the
following spring.
Because the disease is transmitted by these ticks, it can occur wherever Brown Dog and Lone Star Ticks are found. Almost
every state in the United States has reported a case of ehrlichiosis.
What are the symptoms of ehrlichiosis?
Ehrlichiosis can have three phases. Signs of the acute phase of the disease usually develop 1-3 weeks after the bite of the
infected tick. The acute phase of the disease generally lasts 2-4 weeks. The Ehrlichia enter white blood cells and reproduce
inside of them. In addition to the blood, these cells are found in the lymph nodes, spleen, liver, and bone marrow. Platelets,
the small cell fragments that help blood to clot, are often destroyed, as well. As a result of the infection, the lymph nodes,
liver, and spleen are often enlarged. Anemia, fever, depression, lethargy, loss of appetite, shortness of breath, joint pain and
stiffness, and bruises are often seen. Many dogs will be able to fight off the infection. If not, they enter the subclinical phase.
In the subclinical phase the animal may appear normal or show only slight anemia. During this phase the Ehrlichia live inside
the spleen. This phase can last for months or years. Ultimately, the dog either eliminates the Ehrlichia from the body or the
infection may progress to the chronic phase.
The chronic phase can be either mild or severe. Weight loss, anemia, neurological signs, bleeding, inflammation of the eye,
edema (fluid accumulation) in the hind legs, and fever may be seen. Blood tests show that one or all of the different blood cell
types are decreased. One cell type, the lymphocyte may increase and be abnormal in appearance. This can sometimes be
confused with certain types of leukemia. If a dog becomes chronically infected, the disease can keep coming back, especially
during periods of stress. In some cases, arthritis or a kidney disease called 'glomerluonephritis' may develop.
A decrease in the number of platelets (platelets help the blood clot) in the blood is the most common laboratory finding in all
phases of the disease. Changes in the protein levels in the blood are common. The most common protein, albumin, is
decreased and other types of protein called 'globulins' are increased.
Since one tick could be infected with and transmit more than one disease (e.g.; haemobartonellosis or babesiosis), it is not all
that uncommon to see a dog infected with more than one of these diseases at a time, which generally causes more severe
symptoms.
How is ehrlichiosis diagnosed?
The diagnosis is based on the typical clinical signs and results of special blood tests.
Two blood tests that detect the dog's antibodies (proteins produced to fight off the infection) to Ehrlichia are available. One is
called the indirect immunofluorescent antibody (IFA) test, and the other is known as an ELISA test. A veterinarian cannot
rely solely on these tests to make a diagnosis. The antibodies may not be detected in the early phase of the disease, since it
takes some time for the body to make them. Also, if a dog is extremely ill, he may not be able to produce enough antibodies
to be accurately detected. A positive test demonstrates that the dog has been exposed to Ehrlichia, but not that he necessarily
is currently infected. In the acute stage of the disease, the antibody level will rise significantly. Often two tests will be done 2
weeks apart and the results compared. Dogs with an active infection will show a significant rise in the amount of antibody
present.
The antibodies can last for one or more years after the infection, but they do not make the dog immune to ehrlichiosis - the
dog could get reinfected.
A newer diagnostic test called the PCR tests for the presence of the organism itself, not antibodies to it. Unfortunately, it does
not distinguish between live an dead organisms. For this reason, it is generally recommended to perform the PCR along with
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one of the antibody tests to make a diagnosis.
Sometimes, the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a
microscope slide, stained and examined under the microscope. The organism can only be found in the bloodstream for a few
days during the acute phase of the disease. So this method of diagnosis could miss some cases of the disease.
How is ehrlichiosis treated?
The antibiotics, tetracycline or doxycycline are used. Treatment is usually for 3-4 weeks, even though the dog's symptoms
generally improve after several days of therapy. Some dogs will need blood transfusions or intravenous fluids depending on
the severity of the disease. Generally, the prognosis during the acute phase is good, if the animal is properly treated. Dogs
who go on to the chronic phase have a poorer prognosis. German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers tend to have a more
severe chronic form of the disease.
The drug, imidocarb dipropionate, is sometimes used in conjunction with the antibiotics. It is given as an injection, but may
not be available in all areas.
Some of the damage caused by Ehrlichia may be due to the dog's own immune response to the organism. For this reason, if
immune-mediated arthritis or decrease in platelets occurs, corticosteroids (e.g., prednisolone) may be given.
How can I prevent ehrlichiosis in my pet?
Tick control is the main way to prevent ehrlichiosis. Products which repel and kill ticks such as those containing permethrins
are excellent choices. Tick collars containing the active ingredient amitraz (Preventic collars) are also used, sometimes in
conjunction with permethrin products in those areas with high tick infestations. If a large number of cases of ehrlichiosis are
diagnosed in an area, some veterinarians recommend placing dogs on low doses of tetracycline or doxycycline during the tick
season.
There is no vaccine for ehrlichiosis.
Can people get ehrlichiosis?
Yes. The common symptoms in people include fever, chills, headache, and muscle aches. Other less common symptoms
include nausea, loss of appetite, weight loss, abdominal pain, cough, diarrhea and change in mental status.
People do NOT get infected directly from a dog, but through a tick bite. Also, the Ehrlichia species most often implicated in
human infections is E. chaffeensis.

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American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
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2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
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1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
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Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

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(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
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Re: Doc

quote:
Originally posted by blue blue
I have a year old that was a very hard going dog alone didn't come back very accurate. Over a period of a few weeks he started not hunting good and just falling treed slick and half hearted treeing. Took him to vet and Ehrlichia. Treated 30 days with doxycycline and gave the two imizol shots. Finished treatment this week and took him hunting last night and same thing. What would you suggest to try next?


Ehrlichiosis can be a tough bug to treat. I'd work with a specialist at this point who has experience in treating tick born diseases. I've been working with Idexx Labs when diagnosing tick born illnesses and they use a new PCR testing method that is more accurate than older methods. I'd perform a comprehensive tick panel using PCR methodology at Idexx labs. They have one that has both the 4DX test along with the full PCR Tick Panel. It will check for about 12 different tick born illnesses that most vets don't check for. From those results your vet can work with one of the internal medicine specialists at Idexx on coming up with a plan of attack.

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Current:

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)


Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

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Are the pills the only option to raise thyroid back up? What the crap is causing all this tyroid stuff?

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Dr., thank you for all the great advice. I have sent you a PM with a question.

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quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Are the pills the only option to raise thyroid back up? What the crap is causing all this tyroid stuff?


There are other options through compounding the drug into liquid if that is what you mean. Easier and cheaper to just use the pills.

Not sure what is behind all of the thyroid hype here lately. I suspect there is a good amount of misdiagnosis though of dogs that have Euthyroid Sick Syndrome and not true Hypothyroidism. Almost every person I've talked to had their dogs tested at their veterinarian's hospital and many of them had history of tick borne illness or have a tick born illness at the time their thyroid levels were checked. You can't do an accurate assessment of the thyroid without sending out to either Idexx Labs or Dr. Jean Dodds lab. You need to assess the Free T4 levels by either Equilibrium Dialysis or the newer Free T4 test that Dr. Dodds is now recommending. In house laboratories don't have that capability.

I think every coonhound that is assessed for thyroid issues should be tested for tick diseases. An in house 4DX test will help diagnose Ehrlichia, Anaplasma, Lyme and Heartworm and is reasonably priced. It takes about 10 minutes to run this test and it is worth it.

Doc

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Current:

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)


Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

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My Rex dog is recovering from fungal infection, blasto, and is still on 200 mg of fluconazole for 2 more weeks. I hear all these stories of dogs relapsing do you have any suggestions? He still doesn't have an appetite and is thin.

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Doc Ahallada

My Rex dog is recovering from fungal infection, blasto, and is still on 200 mg of fluconazole for 2 more weeks. I hear all these stories of dogs relapsing do you have any suggestions? He still doesn't have an appetite and is thin.

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
My Rex dog is recovering from fungal infection, blasto, and is still on 200 mg of fluconazole for 2 more weeks. I hear all these stories of dogs relapsing do you have any suggestions? He still doesn't have an appetite and is thin.



Yep you need to follow up with your veterinarian. They will do some follow up tests to see how the treatment is going and see if he needs a different type of medication if this is not working. You are not far from the Vet School in Madison so it wouldn't be a bad idea to work with them as well.
Doc

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Current:

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)


Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
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Thyroid level question?

What is the acceptable thyroid level in a dog? Is 1.2 level too low?

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Re: Thyroid level question?

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What is the acceptable thyroid level in a dog? Is 1.2 level too low?


Depends on the breed and the method of testing. Some breeds run lower than other breeds and some methods of testing thyroid have different levels of normal than others. I recommend using the Free T4 by ED for initial testing to diagnose low thyroid levels in dogs combined with a resting T4 and Cholesterol.

Clear as mud?

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Question for Doc

Is 1.2 too low for a Treeing Walker Coon hound?

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Doc first I would like to thank you for taking the time to educate and help us, your generosity is appreciated.
With a small puppy say eight to ten weeks how long from the time it contacted the Parvo virus till it showed symptoms is there any sort of time for this or is it case by case?
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Re: Question for Doc

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Is 1.2 too low for a Treeing Walker Coon hound?


Please read what I posted above about thyroid levels in dogs. It depends on the test that was run. Was this an in hospital test for Resting T4 levels or was this sent out to a reference lab for Free T4 ? Is the dog showing any clinical signs of hypothyroidism? Is the Cholesterol level elevated? Is the dog sick or not feeling well? Is he already on L-Thyroxine?

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1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
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1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
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Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
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In Office test!

It was an in office test and no to the other questions! Just thought it would be good to have it checked while at the vet. Vet said she saw no signs of a thyroid issue. But the test showed 1.2!

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Re: In Office test!

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It was an in office test and no to the other questions! Just thought it would be good to have it checked while at the vet. Vet said she saw no signs of a thyroid issue. But the test showed 1.2!


If there are no clinical signs and your dog is acting good, I wouldn't be too concerned at this point. If you want to do a more thorough workup in the future, then send in for the thyroid panel with TSH, Resting T4 and Free T4 by ED. Also get a cholesterol level from a blood panel.

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1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
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1992 National Redbone Days Champion

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I feed Pro Plan Sport Salmon 30/20, says for all life stages. Would you recommend feeding to pups or use a puppy formula? I've heard too much protein isn't good but the puppy food is at 28 protein so not a lot of difference.
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Upset/sensitive stomach

Would like your opinion Dr. I have a pup that's little over a year old now that has a sensitive tummy, our local vet said to give him tums but then a friends vet said that it will make it worse and to use pepcid(?) Instead. I would like your input on this please.
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Doc, I read through most of these post but couldn't find your answer. Exactly what tick spray would you recommend before cutting a dog loose. I have them on monthly preventive but I know that isn't completely efficient. Do you have any idea how effective it is after they are wet? Its getting that time and here in Arkansas they can get real bad!

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Doc, I read through most of these post but couldn't find your answer. Exactly what tick spray would you recommend before cutting a dog loose. I have them on monthly preventive but I know that isn't completely efficient. Do you have any idea how effective it is after they are wet? Its getting that time and here in Arkansas they can get real bad!

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Joey, he advised me to use the Simparica pill and spray the dog with permethrin before hunting.

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Joey, he advised me to use the Simparica pill and spray the dog with permethrin before hunting.


Which spray are you using?

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Bought the concentrate at the farm store and dilute it in a spray bottle. Don't remember brand but it was in the section for horses.

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