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Thought this might be a good topic to discuss. When choosing the right stud to breed to your female what does everyone look for, do you look for a dog that is stronger in the traits your hound might be lacking, or one that is strong in all traits required for a coonhound or one that is like your female in all traits she has? It's very hard to choose the right stud for your female in my opinion because they're is so many to choose from and it's hard to find a hound with all the traits you may be looking for but thought it would be good to get some opinions on this.

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Usually it comes down to just a few thing's .

Who's winning big .
Which line you prefer .
Who's closest too you .

Those are the most common . First evaluate your bitch . See what you do and don't like about her . Then find Male's that compliment her as to what you like . Just don't double up on the bad traits thing's you don't like they'll out weigh the good .. 1 x you can gain or lose everything . There are a pile of Stud dog's out there . That definitely makes it difficult . But each specific one has good and bad . It's knowing what you can and can't live without in a dog .

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George you left out:
The one with the prettiest dark red color.

I guess that I am a little different. I like to work backwards. I first decide what type or style of pup that I want.

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George you left out:
The one with the prettiest dark red color.

I guess that I am a little different. I like to work backwards. I first decide what type or style of pup that I want.

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Or the pups that you want to produce, determines the stud you choose. It sounds like it is only semantics but to me there is a difference in how you approach it. But I probably can't explain it.

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George you left out:
The one with the prettiest dark red color.

I guess that I am a little different. I like to work backwards. I first decide what type or style of pup that I want.

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Oh my goodness, this coming from the guy that hunts a half walker/half Redbone. What a surprise.

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Oh my goodness, this coming from the guy that hunts a half walker/half Redbone. What a surprise.

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At least her son I'm huntin is only 1/4 now but he looks just like her.

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Choosing a stud can be very complicated or simply a matter of eeny, meeny, miney mo.
Do you pick one with a certain trait? Or do you pick a more balanced one? Do you pick one based on his pedigree? Do you pick a hunt winner? Or do you pick one that has shown that he is a reproducer of hunt winners? Or do you try to pick one that has several top reproducers in his background. Or one with several big hunt winners in his background. You can even try to pick one that combines all or several of the above. Then as George suggested, you can throw in location, convenience looks and whether it is physically possible to get with the owner to get it done.
You can start with a list of all of the Redbone males and narrow it down to one or even zero. You might find out pretty quickly that there aren't really that many to choose from unless you use the eeny, meeny, miny mo approach. There was a pretty good thread on this topic several years ago before the forum died. You might do a search and find it.

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Why do you say, "at least"?

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Why do you say, "at least"?

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Richard I didn't really want to touch base on color . It's such a wide variety of what people like . And really hard to say what color scheme you'll get when you make a x .

Ridge runner careful pics can be deceiving depending on lighting and angles . But Richard is right a small gene pool to try to pull from or stud to decide on . Hard going big mouth pressure tree dog's with no reverse are no fun to hunt . But that's what it takes to win and hard to get all those qualities in one dog especially a female . Then most say they want a big motor till they get one and they are 2 miles deep and out of breath . I think the easier thing to do on deciding would be to be honest with yourself and just say what style drive and tree dog you want . I didn't mention mouth cause it comes and goes and never know what you'll end up with .

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Yes that is what it takes to win I agree but they're no fun as pleasure dogs. I like for my hound to hunt deep if it has to which most of the time they do have to around here but I dont want it to blow by 2 or 3 coons on it's way to getting deep. There has to be a balance there, the dog needs to be hunting while getting deep not just running wide open for 2 miles then start hunting when he is that far in there, so there has to be balance and that is hard to find.

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Out of the studs on here that I've seen pics of they've all got a good dark red color the lightest ones I've seen is barnyard gun but he still looks alright. But alot of the pics are gone and some of them dont have them at all, your stud dog bank is a good looking hound. Doesnt picking the stud help determine the pups you will produce?

I have a male that is 2 years old. You would not want a darker dog then him. If he was was any darker he would be black

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Yes that is what it takes to win I agree but they're no fun as pleasure dogs. I like for my hound to hunt deep if it has to which most of the time they do have to around here but I dont want it to blow by 2 or 3 coons on it's way to getting deep. There has to be a balance there, the dog needs to be hunting while getting deep not just running wide open for 2 miles then start hunting when he is that far in there, so there has to be balance and that is hard to find.

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Phil told me that he was a son of a gun and hunted in a straight line until he treed. One that went the opposite direction of all the others was Rambo, hunted with Roger in IL and he was a tree hound and had the fur but wouldn’t want to do that anymore😂

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Out of the studs on here that I've seen pics of they've all got a good dark red color the lightest ones I've seen is barnyard gun but he still looks alright. But alot of the pics are gone and some of them dont have them at all, your stud dog bank is a good looking hound. Doesnt picking the stud help determine the pups you will produce?

I have a male that is 2 years old. You would not want a darker dog then him. If he was was any darker he would be black

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Blake, you are right, there are a very few. Pigeon River Jim after he got to be 4-5 years old was one of them. Boone was another. Fancy is one and Toadie was another. I wonder how their pups hunted? Wait, Fancy was out of Toadie. Maybe there have been more than a few. I can remember one named Tn Ben that a youth from Tn hunted and one named Storm that Ricky Vickers had. For a long time nobody wanted a Redbone that left the country so it was pretty much bred out of them. Now that is what a lot of hunters want so it is being bred back in by some.

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Very few red dog's blow through the country . Most start hunting out the box . Almost every red dog I've hunted hunt's harder against other dog's . Even the backpackers whether they'll do it alone or not . And a lot of people consider deep hunters differently as to how far they really want to walk . I'd rather walk 100 yards to a coon then I had a mile . But if coons are thin and not moving they gotta hunt at least 600 yards to please me . Sometimes it takes me to cut 2 dog's loose to get that and then usually they split .

As far as getting what you breed to and getting that in offspring . That isn't always the case . I've watched xs for year's now and made 3 myself . People forget the female is very important in breeding . I believe a lot of time's a female Carrie's dominant traits . And not too mention a craps shoot . Now sometimes you get a stud that can breed a poodle and produce coon dog's but very rarely .
For example Female big mouth hard pressure tree dog and a track driver but lazy x on below average mouth pressure tree dog with lots of go yonder produced lil better then average mouth track drivers and super hard tree dog's but still only produced medium to close hunters .

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Blake, you are right, there are a very few. Pigeon River Jim after he got to be 4-5 years old was one of them.

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I've seen more than a few red dogs that love to be alone and are quick enough for sure.

Outlaw Mac was my all time favorite. He not only loved to be alone, he could flat pull one out of this pocket when needed. His last year or two was rough though, I'd never seen lymes mess one up quite so bad.

GMan is another. He's won too much for people to believe otherwise. Even if you don't like TMack, heck I don't like him either...kidding!!!

I saw a son of Crow, I think Crowbar was his name, flat look special one night up in Indiana. He lost the cast but if I had to buy a dog that week, it woulda been him.

Richard mentioned Boone. I didn't get to lay eyes on Boone until he was a bit older, but he was always looking to get alone it seemed.

Curtis Cooke's Mack dog was the same, seemed a bit quicker than most doing it though, brushbuster bred. He won the grand american one year and a month later drew him at southern days. Between him and Outlaw Mac we walked to a bunch of splits, very far apart.

Drew a red dog named Bushwhacker of Tim Figg's couple years ago. Deep and lonely was an understatement. And stood by his name, literally bushwhacked one out the truck at nearly a mile.

Another Mack, Stone Cold Mack of Matt Roberts here in NC, full littermate to Turkey, sucker make you walk if needed, as beautiful a red dog as you'd ever see, nice and loud too. Drove down to Matt's one night just to see him go. Him and Jinx made us find roads to keep from walking.

Chad Porter's Doc Holliday dog, never been in many comp hunts, but no slouch whatsoever and absolutely easy on the eyes. And a hard to match mouth.

That's not all for sure, and if we wanted to talk ones I've seen that I'd say were just flat fast and didn't mind stealing a track or didn't mind company, I could make up a new list. That's not a bad flavor either, and honestly would work way better for me down this way, and would work way better for MOST people unless you're in a coon zoo, but pride comes before a fall and we've all been forced to desire that deep and lonely.

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I forgot about Crow. You are right. I think that he got it from his sire, Barnyard Harry who was that type. Pastor Mike's male is that type and he is also Harry bred. The old Brushbuster dogs were like that also. Larry Walker's Freak was like that and I think that Bushwacker is out of her. The Hammer dog in Alabama is that type. So is the Pistol dog. Actually there are quite a few Redbones that are deep and lonely if you want that style and are willing to get out and look for it. Gene Ing has a 1 yr old male that is that style. It can definitely be bred into a line. Gene's female is out of Boone x Rhonda. He has been hunted completely by himself since he was 6 mos old.

As I said before, decide what you want your pups to be like and then go looking for a male that has those traits and is from a line of dogs that predominately produces those traits.

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No doubt. I wouldn't agree with myself that I've seen enough offspring of any 1 stud or female to say with certainty that it's a heavy concentration in any particular line (the hard hunting soloist)...but I would like to say I've seen it. Nobody really seems to focus on that with redbones and I even wonder if so in any breed really. Nobody will shutup about it, yet if there is but a 50% chance a whole litter can even tree coons consistently, I'd say way less tree coons AND have that trait. I have hunted and tried more than a few off Outlaw Mac and I see it at least in small doses in all of them. Some more so than others. And I wish simply hunting one alone was the answer, but while I KNOW it makes a better dog, it's no guarantee it'll make them solo artists. And at times develops other issues.

I'm no breeder, I don't want to spend years trying to make multiple crosses to get what I want, so I just count on other people. It's way too difficult to see what a gang of pups can do where I live, so thanks to the breeders. Two things I swore off many years ago, 1) having a lazy dog. If I have a top notch athlete at my disposal, I sure as heck ain't doing his work for him. and 2) I ain't climbing no more hills for EMPTIES!

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Biggest hunting and most consistent redbone I've been with was Shotgun Red. He was pretty much the same every night, through the country by himself with a coon. He was the type that when you cut loose he was looking to get away from the other dogs and get his own treed. And the more you hunted him the harder he went. And yes I agree Richard, the few times I've hunted with Fancy and Boone they were looking to get one treed by their self. Fancy seemed to be looking for a coon the moment you un snap her, if my memory is correct didn't she tree a coon like 10yds from the truck a couple nights before the purina nationals last year lol.

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That must have been another Fancy. By herself, she would tree close but with other dogs she didn't start looking for a coon until she was 4-500 yds.

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