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i was asked by nitehunter 2004 to go first and post a pedigree of a( known non thyroid dog . ) best i can do is post a known thyroid dog. my dog was dead so i will use her litter mates test results from doc that i hunted in iowa . dale had me test him because he was not acting right .WE WERE WANTING TO WIN HUNTS at the time. all we were looking for was t4 levels t4 was( 1.1. ) still the test was the complete thyroid profile from s.m.u.that showed him tgaa positive for auto immune antibodies . that means every breeding pair in his pedigree passed one recessive gene each to him and his litter mates if i understand the process correctly.then he also would pass the trait .
sire bone collector dam plus points dolly ( dolly ) cold sweat x plus points penny ( sweat) track man x famous ( man) noct. style x rock river lady ( famous) hickory nutt harry x night heat abby ( penny) stylish jake x back water pearl ( jake) sackett jr x stylish ann ( pearl ) zeb x hillbilly bonnie ( bones pedigree is easy to find ) I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BREED THE BAD RECESSIVE GENES OUT OF THE WALKER BREED .JUST ABOUT EVERY DOG IN THIS PEDIGREE IS A BIG MONEY WINNER ON THE TOP 10 HISTORICAL LIST OR SIRED ONE ONE LIST, ,LITTER MATE TO 1 ON THE LIST. MY BEST GUESS THAT IN THE PURSUIT OF PERFECTION IF 100 DOGS WERE TESTED WALKERS WOULD MOVE FROM # 16 TO # 1 OF ALL THE KNOW BREEDS FOR AUTO IMMUNE THYROIDSIS.

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DONT THINK IM BIAS AGAINST THE WALKER HOUNDS >ALL OTHER BREEDS RANK #38 . IF EVERYTHING WORKS AS PLANED FOR ME MY 4 YEAR OLD ENGLISH MALE WILL HAVE A N O. F.A. THYROID PANEL DONE NEXT WEEK AT M.S.U.HE WILL EITHER BE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE FOR THE RECESSIVE BAD GENE .HE MIGHT POSSIBLY BE THE FIRST HOUND ENTERED INTO A THYROID DATA. BANK( GOOD OR BAD ).EVEN THOUGH I DONT OWN A FEMALE TO RAISE A PUP FROM IT WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL OF ME TO ASK OTHERS TO TEST AND NOT TAKE THE LEAD BY TESTING MY OWN DOG . AS SOON AS I GET THE RESULTS THEY WILL BE MADE PUBLIC AND WILL BE ABLE TO BE VERIFIED ON THE F.O. A . THYROID DATA BANK.

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What is the cost of this test?

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So your dog was out of Bone bred to a cousin if I'm reading that ped right? Penny was out of Jake and pearl? Bone was out of Nowheres who was out of Jake and pearl and Homer who was inbred from Fred and his own dam. Any wander why we got a problem? Line breeding brings out recessive genes.

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So your dog was out of Bone bred to a cousin if I'm reading that ped right? Penny was out of Jake and pearl? Bone was out of Nowheres who was out of Jake and pearl and Homer who was inbred from Fred and his own dam. Any wander why we got a problem? Line breeding brings out recessive genes.

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I would have to read but I do not think that's how it would of had to work. At some point the gene could have mutated in a few of the popular dogs and went from there. could have happened 10 years ago or 40 years ago.

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I would have to read but I do not think that's how it would of had to work. At some point the gene could have mutated in a few of the popular dogs and went from there. could have happened 10 years ago or 40 years ago.

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that darn tennesse lead probably had the gene .they stole more than they bargained for .see what happens when you outcross.lol.

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that darn tennesse lead probably had the gene .they stole more than they bargained for .see what happens when you outcross.lol.

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Thomasg nearly every popular large breed dog is on this list in the top 20. You may have to switch to a lap dog to hunt with small breeds are less susceptible. Don't get beagles though they rank much worse than even the walkers you are concerned about.

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Thomasg nearly every popular large breed dog is on this list in the top 20. You may have to switch to a lap dog to hunt with small breeds are less susceptible. Don't get beagles though they rank much worse than even the walkers you are concerned about.

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i have seen a whole yard full of grade walker dogs carrying the gene with a lot of gray patches where black or brown usually is . they also had scanty coats also gray eyes on a few they were all littermates ,but despite there health issues which never seemed to bother them every one of them kicked azz in the woods into old age.the problem exists its out there,but i still prefer walkers,even though i know a good bluetick walker cross is a tougher dog.even though im getting a lot softer with age .i refuse to let a hound put me into a position with the vet that is counter productive to owning hounds.if a hound is that unhealthy i take care of it myself the old fashion way.vets are great to have on hand for some things especially a diagnosis,but i wont let them get ahold of my heart then wallet so they can buy another sports car,and put me in the poorhouse.lol.as far as beagles .to me everything about a beagle seems like a recessive gene including their hunting ability ,cause i never hear or have seen an outcross that make for a better hound on hare as a whole.

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I think you have your pedigrees wrong on some of those dogs you mentioned

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