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Are UKC registered Pit Bulls allowed in nite hunts? Asking for a friend.

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It's All in the wording LOL.
IF the rule said no dog singular usage .
It says DOG(S) on leash not DOG .
I'm being bone headed. LOL
Problem is these guys that passed/worded these rules never thought about the potential conflicts.
Just like the rule that was passed and then later rescinded about minus of dogs coming in late to trees with a coon seen.

Seriously though I got a question.
You guys that are so all fired up about how wonderful it is this rule passed giving these gripey nasty mean dogs a break to not get scratched for fighting.
You all say wow I never ran into but a few mean dogs in all my years hunting in hunts.
WHY ARE YOU ALL SO FIRED UP TO HAVE WANTED THIS TYPE RULE PASSED TO PROTECT NON EXISTING MEAN DOGS THAT YOU NEVER SEE COME TO HUNTS?????

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Dog B is Scratched dog A is in the clear.

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Originally posted by Jack Bingham
Wow. Is all I can say. I'd like to know where all these mean dogs are. I hunt both KFC's primarily pkc. I hunt all over the country. I've seen maybe 3-4 mean dogs in the last 10 yrs. And most were in ukc and them dogs didn't hunt pkc. If your having that many dog fights when your in a hunt you better look at what's on the end of your lead.

As far as wanting an official answer to the question on this thread. If you can read its in the rules. YOU CANNOT SCRATCH A DOG THAT'S ON THE LEASH.

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You cant scratch them if they are on a leash. Thats all there is to it. The dog on the leash can not be scratched. If Dog B comes up to a dog leashed away from a tree it is probably the aggressor anyways.

This may happen once every 5,000 casts. No rule can prepare for fluke situations, so lets just stop worrying about something 99.9% of us will never have happen to us.

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Originally posted by Pat Bizich
It's All in the wording LOL.
IF the rule said no dog singular usage .
It says DOG(S) on leash not DOG .
I'm being bone headed. LOL
Problem is these guys that passed/worded these rules never thought about the potential conflicts.
Just like the rule that was passed and then later rescinded about minus of dogs coming in late to trees with a coon seen.

Seriously though I got a question.
You guys that are so all fired up about how wonderful it is this rule passed giving these gripey nasty mean dogs a break to not get scratched for fighting.
You all say wow I never ran into but a few mean dogs in all my years hunting in hunts.
WHY ARE YOU ALL SO FIRED UP TO HAVE WANTED THIS TYPE RULE PASSED TO PROTECT NON EXISTING MEAN DOGS THAT YOU NEVER SEE COME TO HUNTS?????

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Your response was correct, UKC using dog(s) meant exactly that a dog or dogs, that's exactly what using ( ) means and is an accepted practice in all legal documents. Dave

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I am the one that added the (S) not UKC. LOL
You see.You all already got the idea that it means the difference in wording if one dog gets to start a fight and is allowed to get away with it.
You all fell right into that one.LOL

This is UKC version . No ( ) around dogs. Scratched for Fighting Change rule to scratch dogs for fighting or attempting to fight...…. rule will prevent dogs from being scratched while...…... on the leash

I ask again ANYONE
Explain to me if there is not a problem with mean dogs being entered in a hunt that need "PROTECTED" ( which is exactly what this rule does.Protects nasty gripey mean dogs from getting scratched) WHY WAS THIS RULE NEEDED???
ANYONE???
Make me a believer.

"shadinc
Are UKC registered Pit Bulls allowed in nite hunts? Asking for a friend."
I think that is what I shall call this new rule when I have to explain to a cast why you can't scratch one dog for fighting but you must scratch the second one.
"THE PITBULL RULE"

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As long as I been in the game we have always had them. The day I give up hunting and after we will still have them.



Sad thing is the guys that bring them to the hunts know they are that way before they enter them. Millions of dogs in the world look for one that trees back off the tree buuuuuut then they want to minus you for being off the tree to far because their dog is cleaning the tree. Been that way long as I remember lol.



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Dog B is Scratched dog A is in the clear.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pat Bizich
I am the one that added the (S) not UKC. LOL
You see.You all already got the idea that it means the difference in wording if one dog gets to start a fight and is allowed to get away with it.
You all fell right into that one.LOL

This is UKC version . No ( ) around dogs. Scratched for Fighting Change rule to scratch dogs for fighting or attempting to fight...…. rule will prevent dogs from being scratched while...…... on the leash

I ask again ANYONE
Explain to me if there is not a problem with mean dogs being entered in a hunt that need "PROTECTED" ( which is exactly what this rule does.Protects nasty gripey mean dogs from getting scratched) WHY WAS THIS RULE NEEDED???
ANYONE???
Make me a believer.

"shadinc
Are UKC registered Pit Bulls allowed in nite hunts? Asking for a friend."
I think that is what I shall call this new rule when I have to explain to a cast why you can't scratch one dog for fighting but you must scratch the second one.
"THE PITBULL RULE" [/QUOTE

I know the way the rules were at one point a dog could be scratched before you even left the club. You could put 2 dogs in a box and if they started sorting out for position you could be scratched. The way the rule was worded about under authority of judge.

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Anyhow, what does being on a leash have to do with it? Exactly what is the rationale behind this thinking? In a post a while back some people said they don't like to bring their dogs in for a picture because they don't get along with other dogs. Are you saying you can't control your dog on a leash two feet from you but when he's 1000 yards away in the dark he's an angel?

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Originally posted by Jack Bingham
Wow. Is all I can say. I'd like to know where all these mean dogs are. I hunt both KFC's primarily pkc. I hunt all over the country. I've seen maybe 3-4 mean dogs in the last 10 yrs. And most were in ukc and them dogs didn't hunt pkc. If your having that many dog fights when your in a hunt you better look at what's on the end of your lead.

As far as wanting an official answer to the question on this thread. If you can read its in the rules. YOU CANNOT SCRATCH A DOG THAT'S ON THE LEASH.

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Once again, everyone complaining about a rule change is making a mountain out of a molehill.

There are no more, or no less mean dogs going to be in the hunts because of this rule. All it does is prevent an unwarranted scratch.

Just stop crying and wait till Jan 1st, and see for yourself.

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It's also going to prevent some warranted scratches.

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How is it going to prevent a warranted scratch? How many fights are you all having?

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I'm not seeing enough fights to concern myself with changing the fighting rule, but somebody obviously is.

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I'm not seeing enough fights to concern myself with changing the fighting rule, but somebody obviously is.

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I have only scratched 2 dogs for fighting this year. They was both rolling around and needed pulled off each other. YET 1 handler gave me a hard time over being scratched. Personally I don't think the sky was falling the way the rules were. Dang cry babies wanted it changed though.

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I have only scratched 2 dogs for fighting this year. They was both rolling around and needed pulled off each other. YET 1 handler gave me a hard time over being scratched. Personally I don't think the sky was falling the way the rules were. Dang cry babies wanted it changed though.

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I can't speak for the rest of the country, but in all my years of competition hunting and pleasure hunting, I have seen very few dogs get scratched for fighting. It just was never a problem in these parts, most folks around here would not tolerate a mean dog. Fighting was not tolerated ! Dave

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I can't speak for the rest of the country, but in all my years of competition hunting and pleasure hunting, I have seen very few dogs get scratched for fighting. It just was never a problem in these parts, most folks around here would not tolerate a mean dog. Fighting was not tolerated ! Dave

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I don't know as to whether I have EVER seen a dog scratched for fighting. If I did I don't recall it

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I haven't seen it. But I have un-pleasure hunted with 1 or 2. But I wouldn't say that mean dogs are prevalent here either.

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I haven’t seen a mean dog in 25 years. What UKC needs to do is have a seminar to educate what a mean dog is. I bet 95% of hunters have never saw a mean dog. Head slinging some yaw yaw squalls or a little nippy face bark ain’t a mean dog. I don’t hunt them but I won’t scratch a fellow for toting a hard radical treedog. You get one that meets them dudes 15 feet off the tree and yokes them around the neck shaking them like a rag doll or one of them that has that rear end to the tree daring them to come on in running at whatever shows up they need scratched. The style I described won’t be in very many cast. Must be plenty of them out there I just don’t draw them. Lucky I guess.

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