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If a young dog (2 y/o) has progressed (hunting harder, getting better at moving tracks out and getting more accurate) during this past kill season and really progressed the months of February and March, and is now laid up for the summer

What could one reasonably expect once it's started back hunting in the fall - 1) pick up pretty much where it left off after a few weeks of conditioning, 2) continue to progress at close to the same pace because it has matured a little while sitting in the kennel all summer, or 3) go backwards?

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I have seen some dogs pick right back up and other dogs not pick back up well at all. I feel there is also a very important stage in a young dogs life when they are just getting things rolling when it is very important to keep them in the woods.

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If the genetics are there, #1&2 would be what I’d expect. If the dog is what u say it is oh shouldn’t have any issue.

That being said, if your able to and you get a few cool nights in the summer hit the woods! Likely do you both some good.

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If the genetics are there, #1&2 would be what I’d expect. If the dog is what u say it is oh shouldn’t have any issue.

That being said, if your able to and you get a few cool nights in the summer hit the woods! Likely do you both some good.

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Appreciate the opinions. He's already qualified for the fall SS and I plan to hunt him in it, so I'd be pulling him back out in time to get him tuned back up for it anyway.

The more I think about it, with the bad hot summer nights here in the south and coons moving in the day than night anyway, there really isn't great hunting during the months of June, July and August anyway.

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I'm in the south too and yeah it is tuff. I do a lot of my summer hunting around lakes to have access to water. I have a bad habit of waiting until close to midnight before cutting loose and have been known to turn loose about 4:30-5 in the morning. I have to watch myself more than the dogs due to bad heat spells of my own so I just pick my times and pace myself. All dogs are different, some need more hunting than others. You know your dog, do what's best for the 2 of ya.

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Use to I didn’t think they was a bad night to hunt, the older I get the more I realize a lot of my dogs faults come from ME!! If I had a pup I liked I would be very careful as to when and how I hunted it. Bad tree habits are started when a dog has gotten hot, chewing and jacking the tree seems to be something a lot of dogs now days do but it’s a pet peeve of mine and I feel like 95 percent of the time it’s our fault

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I had a bit of an epiphany a year or so ago, and decided I do this stuff because I want to, not because I have to. I hunted a good young dog last winter, and put him up soon as it got hot. If he comes out firing in the fall great, if not I'll cut my losses and move on.

Summer hunting in my area equals excessive heat, clouds of mosquitoes, armies of chiggers, a plethora of poisonous snakes, and ticks. And ticks equals a variety of diseases for dogs and hunters. As was mentioned above, you can make problems this time of year easier than you can remedy them.

Lastly, this is a time of year I dedicate to family stuff. For me that's vacations, afternoons in the creek, tournament softball, and basketball camps with the kiddo. Makes it a little easier for me to live with myself in the fall when the weather gets right and I start spending way too many nights roaming around the bottoms...

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My son and I get poison ivy BAD !!! We lay em up when it is out.. Hunt hard when it is gone.. Hounds never suffered any ill effects by the lay up...

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My son and I get poison ivy BAD !!! We lay em up when it is out.. Hunt hard when it is gone.. Hounds never suffered any ill effects by the lay up...

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My son and I get poison ivy BAD !!! We lay em up when it is out.. Hunt hard when it is gone.. Hounds never suffered any ill effects by the lay up...

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Copperheads, leafy trees that you can't find a coon in, and swallowing bugs is all summer hunting is good for.

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Copperheads, leafy trees that you can't find a coon in, and swallowing bugs is all summer hunting is good for.

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When I was growing up we never hunted during the summer. When I was about 20 I started hunting year round because I thought the dogs would be better. Fast forward 20 more years and I didn’t turn a dog loose last summer and I enjoyed my dogs more this year than I have in a long time. Not to mention, I started 2 pups that are doing better than any I’ve raised in 15 years. Don’t know if it has anything to do with summer hunting or not but Im hunting for me now and not to impress others like I did the last 20 years. I’ve never seen a good dog set back by being laid up a couple months. Heck, a female raising pups should be laid up 2 months at the least and that’s anytime of year. No, it doesn’t hurt a dog.

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Well, I'm there .... I'm going to lay him up for a while!

I posted this question a while back to get opinions even thought I had decided to hunt all summer, hoping to have a 2 y/o fall pup in tip top shape for the fall SS. For the last few weeks, about all I've been doing is trailing ole bad tracks (get off one and get right on another one)about every time I go. It seems that there just aren't any good tracks on the ground the first 2 or 3 hours of the night; even seem like dogs don't even smell scent on the tree too good. Dogs that usually nail a tree, now doing lots of locating before settling if not trailing on.

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Well, I'm there .... I'm going to lay him up for a while!

I posted this question a while back to get opinions even thought I had decided to hunt all summer, hoping to have a 2 y/o fall pup in tip top shape for the fall SS. For the last few weeks, about all I've been doing is trailing ole bad tracks (get off one and get right on another one)about every time I go. It seems that there just aren't any good tracks on the ground the first 2 or 3 hours of the night; even seem like dogs don't even smell scent on the tree too good. Dogs that usually nail a tree, now doing lots of locating before settling if not trailing on.

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Doesn't anyone think that young dogs have to learn how to finish those bad tracks and go farther/hunt harder to find them? Do y'all think that they just need easy to tree, hot tracks to become coon dogs? My granddaddy always told me that when the going gets tuff, the tuff get going. It is no wonder there are so few tuff coon dogs anymore.

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Every year I say I'm not going to hunt this summer but every year I hunt thru the summer. How do you not do it?? Gets dark and I say I'll go make one turnout and it goes from there.

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Doesn't anyone think that young dogs have to learn how to finish those bad tracks and go farther/hunt harder to find them? Do y'all think that they just need easy to tree, hot tracks to become coon dogs? My granddaddy always told me that when the going gets tuff, the tuff get going. It is no wonder there are so few tuff coon dogs anymore.

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You will never know or find out "laying them up".

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Seems to me that if you want to hunt then hunt, if you don't want to then don't, the dog is not the boss 🤔

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I guess when you ask for opinions, that what you expect to get (Lol).

This pup was not having trailing problems (hot tracks nor cold) until we start getting rain (lots of fresh water everywhere) almost every day for the last 4 or 5 weeks or so when the heat and humidity shot up. I'm in Louisiana and it's almost always between 75 and 80 degrees between dark and midnight with humidity anywhere from 70-80% on average.
The pup isn't perfect and is still a pair of worn out boots away from being a finished dog, but the conditions have gotten pretty rough down here ..... thus the decision to lay him up.

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I don't think he'll go backward. Might get a little rusty. One or two hunts should have him polished up again. What part of Louisiana are you in?

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I guess when you ask for opinions, that what you expect to get (Lol).

This pup was not having trailing problems (hot tracks nor cold) until we start getting rain (lots of fresh water everywhere) almost every day for the last 4 or 5 weeks or so when the heat and humidity shot up. I'm in Louisiana and it's almost always between 75 and 80 degrees between dark and midnight with humidity anywhere from 70-80% on average.
The pup isn't perfect and is still a pair of worn out boots away from being a finished dog, but the conditions have gotten pretty rough down here ..... thus the decision to lay him up.

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