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I have a really nice young dog will be 2 in December. He was a really nice started pup and I sold him last February, well he was only hunted a few times all summer so I bought him back, when you cut him loose he will knock a hole in the dark, he will get struck get treed and dose it fast, my problem is when i cut him from the 1st tree he will not go hunting, he will birddog around me, maybe 150/200 yards, if I load him up move the truck he will knock a hole in the dark get struck get treed, How can i get him to cast from that tree?? Now he didn't do this before I sold him. Need advice.

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Sounds like like sombody shot to many coons out to him. Go to a place with enough coons when you pull him off of the tree he can strike anouther one because in the other kc I hunt in you only get to lead them 30 seconds off the tree and you got to cut that's the way I would hunt him if he don't go just keep easing forward he will go.

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He is very competitive, with other dogs he will cast off the tree, been hunting him along and it sure is aggravating walking back to the truck after each drop.

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Tim have ya tried shootin that first coon out ?

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It sounds to me like who ever you let have the dog either was not shooting the coon out to him or they were hunting him off feeders i have seen the same thing happen in both cases or they were hunting small patches of woods and after he treed they loaded him up and cast him in another spot, When a lot of hound's has the go in them and once they tree and they see no coon at the end and they start Bird Dog-ing they are doing one of two things either looking for the coon or the next one they are accustom to finding close to the first tree and that stems from Feeders, The only thing i have seen that will fix or come close to fixing it is try and get him in thick coon and give him some fur and i saw one a couple years back that was close to what you are saying he is doing and we tied him at the tree and then we lead him off a ways from the tree and he would cast back out but if you just unsnapped him at the tree he would start running short circles and not get out, I hope you get him straightened out, And by the way i am no Pro by any means but i did stay in a cheap Hotel last night .

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Stop taking him back to the truck. Thats what he is used to and why he is doing it. Just set there, he will get board and go on. You will too but it will work.

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Giving a natural born tree dog to many coons causes to many problems don't believe me ask any frequent competition Hunter because I am still a coonhunter in training I am no pro either.

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Tim have ya tried shootin that first coon out ?

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I wouldn't shoot a bunch to him either. But I'd shoot the first one he trees tomorrow night lol. Just wondering if he won't go again because he's worried about the one he already treed or if he's just not used to being cast off that tree. Wouldn't fix the problem but it would tell me why he's doin it.

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Find you a log and sit down take a nap if you have too he will get bored and get gone ,do that couple times and he will be back to where he was shortly

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Did he ever go back to trees? Sounds to me that somebody tried to break him from going back to trees. I've had many young dogs that when I first started working on them for going back they would just hang around the area because they still wanted to go back but knew they couldn't. If this is the problem Most everyone I've had came out of it with hunting. I always knock the coon out if they do go on and tree one..


Is this the one named Trump??? Sorry Nitehunter I couldn't resist!

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He will not go back to the tree, I have sit, I have walked him, I have put my boot to his back side, he will hunt out about 150/200 yards and bird dog around checking trees, never had dog that would go so hard and drive a track from the truck but will not recast, if i load him, turn the truck around he will go like he was shot out of a cannon.

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get a good green switch an get on his a$$ n run him outta there, and DO NOT SHOOT THE FIRST COON that will just go against what yer trying to accomplish

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He will not go back to the tree, I have sit, I have walked him, I have put my boot to his back side, he will hunt out about 150/200 yards and bird dog around checking trees, never had dog that would go so hard and drive a track from the truck but will not recast, if i load him, turn the truck around he will go like he was shot out of a cannon.

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It is more important now than ever the way the big money hunts are set up that a dog move around an get thru the country after they make that first tree cause you most likely hunt the same spot the whole hunt.

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It sounds like he is a total loss! He needs culled. I will gladly take him off your hands and make him a house pet cause its obvious he will never out grow this fault.

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It sounds like he is a total loss! He needs culled. I will gladly take him off your hands and make him a house pet cause its obvious he will never out grow this fault.

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This going to sound stupid but I hunted dogs for the public for a lot of years I ain't seen everything but almost! Make sure your in a big enough place that he is secure when he makes that first tree pull him off and send him he gets out there 200 yrds piddling around go back to the truck and leave his butt drive about a mile watch your garmin he will either start hunting you or he will go hunting one of the two either way it will get him out of that habit just keep doing it till he don't depend on you sounds like he was trained to make one dump and go.

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I am no pro. I shoot nearly every coon my dogs tree. One has got to decide does he win or do you win. I have had some that thought they were not going to recast but once you get in a big spot and he starts that bird dogging or circling one of two things happen to mine they either learn to recast or go hide. The method I use is a good hickory and my collar. You may get them running wild for a bit but when they settle back down they will start recasting. I have had some that thought they could win but none ever had. Degree of severity is based on dogs intelligence and how much you can stand. I have never believed shooting Coons out causes a dog to bird dog around. My opinion is we allow that to be the answer because it's convenient excuse because everyone says it. The dog goofs around because the handler lets it. If he has the gears it won't take much

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He is very competitive, with other dogs he will cast off the tree, been hunting him along and it sure is aggravating walking back to the truck after each drop.

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High ridge everybody has their methods but the people that shock and whip their dogs to go are the same ones that shock or whip them to come in I know they say I will get them when they tree or I don't want to see them. When you are running the hunts in states and territories you have never been to before and running short on deadline you better have one you can handle if they hate your guts they ain't going to there are things I absolutely will whip the pee out of one for but to make them go hunting ect I just put them in situations were their instincts take over jmo. Half the time they are correcting them so much they don't know what they are supposed to do. I have fixed a lot of dogs messed up like that. They always asked me what did you do I said I was their freind and made coon treeing fun again to them jmo.

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This dog has had around 6 coon in his life (unless the previous owner wasn't honest), our season is in so he may get a few, he will be two in December so he hasn't had a good kill season.

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My instinctual reaction is that Mr Taylor is right on this one. It sure sounds like he's used to running in there to find a coon off a feeder but never learned to go hunting for the next one. Just hasn't figured it out yet is all. Not his fault if he was never exposed to hunting from the tree. Hunt him through it. If he will only go 200 yds but is hunting around, keep walking him. He will stumble across the next coon and learn that the next one is out there.

All just a guess, but bottom line is that if a dog has the desire and ability to find a track and tree it, (and it sounds like he does) then there's no reason he wont figure it out. It will be on his time line when it clicks, not yours, but if you keep showing him there's another coon to find, the lines of desire, and knowledge of what to do with that desire should come together pretty quickly.

Disclaimer: I in no way, shape, or form, resemble a pro. Lol.

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