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Well I want to see what you guys thought. And these are good responses.

I think and know that all I listed plays a part in the progression of our breed.

Jealousy may have not been the correct word. But we all know that some people hate to see others win and win all the time. Thus creating a jealous bone in your body. Which can lead to dislike for that person without even knowing them or their dog. By being that way can lead to you missing out on breeding to a good dog.

Location/Distance if you have a good quality female and you want to breed her. Location and distance should never stop you from breeding to a dog if you know it has what you need. I've heard way to many times. "Man he has a nice dog, I sure would love to breed to him. But he's too far". Making a good cross is never to far. We all work, we all make money and I'm sure we all have vacation. This should never be an issue when it comes to making a cross. Proper planning is the key to making the cross you want to make. Rather than breeding just to breeding to a male for convenience. Look at all those who came before us and made this breed what it is. They never let distance stopped them. And in all honesty they probably had better dogs back then than now.

Lack of Promotion some dogs are not promoted very hard. And then guys wonder why no one is breeding to their dogs. As a whole. if you compare the past to the present. Before we had the technology we have now. Males where heavily promoted. The past guys took pride in what was on end of there leash. Not saying that we don't now. But they weren't afraid to put it in the bloodlines or the yearbook. If you look back at old breed albums and old bloodlines, they were huge with promotion. I hear guys say, oh he hasn't won anything, he doesn't have a title. You don't have to win any big hunts or have a title to promote your male. Wins and titles never made coondog's this we all know. It was the man that stood behind him being honest with his self and what he had. Its a known fact the majority of these dogs will never win a big hunt or even the world hunt. The ones that do great. But any dog could reproduce the next World Champion or big Hunt winner. The internet, the bloodlines and Especially the YEARBOOK, should be flooded with promotion. But remember if you don't take pride in what you have, Don't expect someone else too.

Late Timing of knowing that male is Reproducing lots of males aren't known to be reproducers until it is too late. And that can come from Jealousy, Location/Distance and Lack of Promotion. These things can all lead to males being known as reproducers late.

BBB - Breeding Between Buddies Some guys only stick to what their buddies have. And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as that dog has what you need. Some guys breed to their buddies dog for convenience, and location/distance just to get puppies. If you do this and that dog can't help you then you're not helping the breed. You're hurting the breed.

Guys lets stop the making excuses for these dogs. Stop making excuses for not breeding to a male. Don't let location/distance and lack of promotion, be the reason we find out to late that a male is reproducing. We can reproduce a better dog.

We all want a dog that starts early as a pup. Can strike any track hot or cold and tree it and have the meat. And be a first and first type dog. With a big mouth, steady chop mouth and a stay put tree dog. The only way to have this is to be honest and breed coondogs to coondogs.

See you guys in the hunts!!!

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I just got back to work this morning and havent got a chance till now to reply. This is really good input on here fellas.
Lovis I agree, I don't think the word jealousy describes exactly what we are talking about to the tea.
Nick,Ralph W., I agree and I see what you are saying about a proven stud. I own a proven stud, I have seen his pups tree real live coons and some have shown potential to be better than their sire. So when you fellars have a female coming in, please be sure to bring her down and breed to him. And you are welcome to come down and hunt with me anytime you like.
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Peoples personalities should have been on the poll ,,, its hard for a guy to get lucky if he has attitude or cocky and arrogant , or thinks he walks on water

But I could be wrong

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Can we really use lack of promoting as an excuse with today technology that's out there. With the Technology we have today even vs 15 yrs ago it's easier today to promote a stud dog. I think that's one of the reasons why everyone wanting to their males to something. My guess is they are hoping to have the next hottest #1 reproducer and their gonna get rich off of Semen. Smh won't happen

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Originally posted by Darrell Eads
Peoples personalities should have been on the poll ,,, its hard for a guy to get lucky if he has attitude or cocky and arrogant , or thinks he walks on water

But I could be wrong

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here is my 2 cents take or leave it.

I looked at the poll numbers and see jealousy out passed all the other's combined. Here is my take on that jealousy is thrown out there just like racism is in the political and PC world when activist's want to pass something that the majority of the citizen's don't want. They are way over used and also way over rated. In the coon hunting circle you see guys that competition hunt a lot breeding to the winners. Now my thoughts are did they breed to the dog because he wins or did they draw him or his off spring and liked what they saw? To me it doesn't really matter as long as they get what they were looking for! Jealousy and racism is more an excuse then a fact. They are both used frequently by their promoters and activist's if folks aren't filling up the drive and getting in line. Fact is hunters have different ideas of a coon dog and what they like. Some like a loaded pedigree of Big name winners, other's want that pedigree filled up on dog's on the TRL, some want a bawl mouth track and loud 120 bark a min tree dog. Some want a loud mouth hard tree dog to breed to. I learned over 25 yrs. ago that what the stud sounds like does not mean his offspring will be the same. There was a dog that barked about 1 to 3 barks a minute on tree and you could barely him 100yds. away he was an intense accurate stay put tree dog. Now all the offspring I hunted with were 70 to 90 BAM tree dogs and loud you could easily hear a mile away. Some hunter's won't breed their dogs, other's will breed to dogs that will compliment their dogs faults nothing wrong with either.
I will say the BBB is not a fault and you could add neighbors dog in with that. For the simple reason that these are probably dogs you hunt quite a bit with or even maybe hunted a couple of generations with and liked what you seen. I know I like to breed for what I like in a dog and never breed to a dog to cover up a fault in a dog but breed to the strength and positives I like about a dog. If the faults are so bad I need to breed to cover them up then the dog isn't for me.

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referring to the personality thing; arrogant. I see what ya'll are saying about this. It is hard to really know a person especially by what he is writing on a thread. writings tend to lose contxt at times.
I myself try to be as humble as I can be, but sometimes you have to blow your own horn a little. I feel that if I didn't get on here, some of you wouldn't even know I exist.
I have learned to be as friendly as I can be, my home and kennel are welcome to all and I am willing to be friends with whoever reaches out. I enjoy hunting with new friends and all are welcome.
With that being said, I go night after night by myself to the woods and I don't mind. I have an occasion or two of some friends going with me, but it is usually is local buddies. I do get alot of phone calls and I am patient with everyone and listen carefully to what each hunter has to say, as I may learn something new, (I'm very open minded).
So I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I really don't know and understand the exact reasons my studs don't get bred to. I do know that a few folks have brought their females over to me at the wrong time and it was too late in the female's cycle. And I think perseverance and intense interest in the will to breed to a stud is not like it used to be.
I really, at one time did not want to stud my males out. I felt it was a little stingy to keep them to myself, too many times friends have told me that what I have I should put out there, so that is what I did.
No, my hounds haven't won any big hunts, Dozer came close to winning the State hunt, (even though close don't count) it's worth it to me to mention. But the men that put together the time and effort years ago to produce what we have today, it's worth it to me to share this with others. (I'm just passing the torch).
I would not pass this torch if I didn't see in my hounds what others want or need in a coonhound.
Happy Tracks!
Larry

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