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Scenario

I didn’t mean to get off of the subject. Just saying there are judges out there that will minus your dog on tree points even if not treed in and coon is seen.

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I'm pretty sure on how this would be scored, but can you make it official? I see a few wanting to score it another way.

Thanks in advance

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A 225+
b 150+
c 50-
d 25-

Here is my reasoning behind this rule number

4(f) If dog declared treed, after five minutes has elapsed no additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree but if they come in to tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen.

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A 225+
b 150+
c 50-
d 25-

Here is my reasoning behind this rule number

4(f) If dog declared treed, after five minutes has elapsed no additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree but if they come in to tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen.



C and D do not get minus because it isnt a "tree" Ukc says a dog does not have to be treed in to score a hole.

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C and D do not get minus because it isnt a "tree" Ukc says a dog does not have to be treed in to score a hole.


What if it this same thing happens and u get there and dogs r barking in a bottom of a tree and u look in there and a coon is in the hole how would u score it then

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What if it this same thing happens and u get there and dogs r barking in a bottom of a tree and u look in there and a coon is in the hole how would u score it then


They consider that a different matter. Think of it like this, if its attached to a actual tree in anyway then they need to be treed in. If its a hole anywhere else they do not. Its the risk the handler runs by not treeing their dog because it doesn't sound right.

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Originally posted by HERSHSHUNTIN
I'm pretty sure on how this would be scored, but can you make it official? I see a few wanting to score it another way.

Thanks in advance




Are you kidding me! I let this one slip through the cracks without responding. Sorry about that.


SCENARIO:
Scoring Dogs Treed in a Hole
Dog's A, B, C, and D are declared struck, in that order. Dog's A and B are declared treed, in that order. The five is up. Dog's C and D have not been declared treed.

When the cast arrives, they find all four dogs treeing at a hole in the ground. All dogs are handled. All four handlers see the coon in the hole, that is out of reach of the dogs.

What is the "total score" for each dog, in this situation?

Dog A _____

Dog B _____

Dog C _____

Dog D _____



ANSWER: Rule 3 applies to this scenario.

Rule 3. POINTS WILL BE PLUS
(b) when dog is declared struck and treed and coon is seen other than in tree, dogs declared treed to receive strike and tree points. Dogs not declared treed, strike points only.

The correct scoring for each dog is:

A: 225+
B: 150+
C: 50+
D: 25+

This the "hole" or "place of refuge" rule we talk about where dogs can receive plus strike points without being declared treed.

(Just in case we ever cover a Stationary Rule as it relates to dogs treed in the ground or in a place of refuge)
This is also the rule that we use to discourage judges from applying the Stationary Rule when dogs might be treed in the ground for the fact that a dog is not required to be declared treed in this situation. In other words, don't try to force a handler to declare their dog treed unless you're fairly confident that they are in fact treed on a tree.

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