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Ok. Just to bring back my original question, how do you know what kind of track it could run? Being alone, was his "grub any kind of track"... Was nothing more than trouble with a medium track since there was nothing to compare him with.
Could he move a track 1/2 mile in January when the boars were rutting. All I am asking is, how do you know... Without a measuring stick, how do you know?

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I like a dog that trees it’s own coon regular. Be it 25 yards or 1.7 miles. I desire no reverse.

I also like a dog with intelligence.

A loner will win and a loner will lose.

Some of it is man made to be a loner ( I have been guilty of doing it) some are natural. I like the natural ones.

What really like is a dog that pays no attention to dogs as to his ability to tree a coon. Now, that means if they strike a track together I want my dog to do his best to tree that track no matter how the next dog does it. If they tree together they tree together. And, if another dog beats him on that track I still want him to finish that track and not pack up and leave area because a dog trees.

I want my dog to go hunting and not follow but also if there is a dog tracking fool out there I don’t want him changing zip codes to get away but I want him looking for a coon track.

My opinion, and it is only mine, if my dog is looking for a coon and not worrying about what the others are doing he will be alone the majority of the time. A winner has to tree Coons and pay no attention to a dog that is screwing up because down time cost you cast.

To me it is not a sin for a dog to tree together on the same track. That is not backing a dog too me.

Backing is when my dog has nothing going on and breaks his neck to get to a treed dog. Now that I can’t stand.

You get one that wants to tree coon and is serious about they will be shallow and lonely, deep and lonely, and sometimes on a tree with a dog that they trailed to the tree. That is a winner too me

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High ridges post should pretty much end this debate.. that's a coon dog should do the majority of nights.

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. Just to bring back my original question, how do you know what kind of track it could run? Being alone, was his "grub any kind of track"... Was nothing more than trouble with a medium track since there was nothing to compare him with.
Could he move a track 1/2 mile in January when the boars were rutting. All I am asking is, how do you know... Without a measuring stick, how do you know?

How do you know a dog can tree it's own coon if it is never on a tree by it's self? Aggravating to me to have dogs waded up together all night. Independence is all about doing your own thing and not worrying about others. There are different styles of Independence but, it doesn't change the definition. If a dog is getting treed with a coon before ole Trackmaster stash can get treed would you consider it a better dog.

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Just to bring back my original question, how do you know what kind of track it could run? Being alone, was his "grub any kind of track"... Was nothing more than trouble with a medium track since there was nothing to compare him with.
Could he move a track 1/2 mile in January when the boars were rutting. All I am asking is, how do you know... Without a measuring stick, how do you know?

How do you know a dog can tree it's own coon if it is never on a tree by it's self? Aggravating to me to have dogs waded up together all night. Independence is all about doing your own thing and not worrying about others. There are different styles of Independence but, it doesn't change the definition. If a dog is getting treed with a coon before ole Trackmaster stash can get treed would you consider it a better dog.

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I promise you if I am turning it loose in a hunt you can bet your life’s savings it will tree it’s own coon.

If they are a coondog they will show it before the night is up somewhere.

The homework is done through the week and as long as you don’t lie to yourself and live in rainbow land of excuses you know what you are turning loose.

I don’t care what the other guy turns loose nor do I worry about it. I hunt one to perform the way I want it too.

It’s not rocket science to know what your dog can or can’t do during the week. Then when you learn pro and con. If pro outweighs con start tweeking the dog to perform in areas of the pro. Your winning will increase

Problem is most can’t be honest with themselves on what they got and had rather have an excuse than roll shirt sleeves up and go to work

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The independent dead loner is easier to call if they stay in pocket.

But, when I enter a hunt I don’t go coonhunting I go competing

So, if the dog splits great, if he packs ok. I want the dog doing any and everything it can or has to to stay in contention for the CW other than be aggressive.

It’s just like a ballgame. It’s flashier to win shooting the 3, but I will take a foul shot for the victory.

What I really like is when you get on a winning roll and you hear how mean your dog is, how big a cheat you are, how you got the better places to hunt, how your dog is a packing fool, etc.

Very few times do you draw a cast where guys say I just got beat by a better dog tonight.

That saying on Facebook, A mans ego is a heavy burden for his hound to carry, is true.

I get a bigger chuckle out of that than anything.

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And, to answer question in last sentence.

If my dog is consistently getting treed with a coon before Trackmaster I would consider him better

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Best way is to avg your dogs speed on tracks. You'll know by how fast its moving or bow slow its moving whether or not the track is hot or cold. If your dog only averages 3 mph on any given night, your dog needs another gear. If your dog avg 10 mph + then you've got above avg track speed.

Or you could just cast a complete me-too'er after yours gets struck to compare. But I trust the first version more than this one.

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It seems that today's dogs are not bred and trained to compete against each other. They compete against a clock. If your dog doesn't compete for tracking and treeing on the same track , he can't get beat on that track. He just goes over yonder and trees his own coon and everything is a recut and often comes down to who get the first strike of the night (in comes the babbler) . It's just a different world of comp hunts today.

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Hey I got beat on 2 separate coons last night by a 13 month old pup !! Just so happens he is out of one of my females. Tracking was horrible he got one in front and one behind I told Bruce he was going to be special. My buddy is on cloud nine my female ain't no easy win either. They are either born with it or they are average no in between jmo.



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Best way is to avg your dogs speed on tracks. You'll know by how fast its moving or bow slow its moving whether or not the track is hot or cold. If your dog only averages 3 mph on any given night, your dog needs another gear. If your dog avg 10 mph + then you've got above avg track speed.

Or you could just cast a complete me-too'er after yours gets struck to compare. But I trust the first version more than this one.

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Unless the dog is struck and running all the time that wouldn't even be close to accurate. Remember that's a average of the whole time the collar is on. If the dog spends much time at all treed or just hunting its completely off. No real useful information in the Garmin's speed count.

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nope you're wrong. You can pause it. But I don't. And I still want mine to avg 7+ all night. But I don't usually have to walk a mile to a tree. But I have and it didn't really drop the avg much.

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Ok so I am wrong! It stops averaging speed when the state of the dog switchs to treed, but it is still off pretty bad. I just started mine and reset it as soon as I pulled out of the drive way. I sped up to 30 mph and set the cruse control. I drove for 3.2 miles with the update set at 2.5 sec. I never broke 30mph and the Garmin averaged my speed at 39mph. I suspect it has something to do with the fact it has to refresh.

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Ok so I am wrong! It stops averaging speed when the state of the dog switchs to treed, but it is still off pretty bad. I just started mine and reset it as soon as I pulled out of the drive way. I sped up to 30 mph and set the cruse control. I drove for 3.2 miles with the update set at 2.5 sec. I never broke 30mph and the Garmin averaged my speed at 39mph. I suspect it has something to do with the fact it has to refresh.

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the fact is it really doesn't matter to me if you believe me on a dogs avg speed or not. You feed yours I'll feed mine. I know exactly what I'm feeding. And both of mine are above the avg dogs. Mine see roughly 3 hunts during winter and a few over summer. The only thing holding my dogs back is me from the winners circle. I hunt a few dogs during winter for a friend when I'm laid off. He had last falls sophomore 3rd place dog, and owned the spring sophomore champ. Both I put a bunch of hunting on. Both of those females avg 8-12 depending on how much they were hunted.

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They been tought to ambush hot coon, they usually have the coon too.

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There's everything you mentioned, and swamps, mountains, and porcupines, coyotes, fishers, plenty of off game if you can stomach that type too. There's a bunch of things that can slow one down, but the good ones don't seem to slow down for much.

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the fact is it really doesn't matter to me if you believe me on a dogs avg speed or not. You feed yours I'll feed mine. I know exactly what I'm feeding. And both of mine are above the avg dogs. Mine see roughly 3 hunts during winter and a few over summer. The only thing holding my dogs back is me from the winners circle. I hunt a few dogs during winter for a friend when I'm laid off. He had last falls sophomore 3rd place dog, and owned the spring sophomore champ. Both I put a bunch of hunting on. Both of those females avg 8-12 depending on how much they were hunted.

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I owned Southern Style for awhile and I can guarantee you he was a loaner and I also can guarantee you that he could run, pop, lay, track, or grub any kind of coon up. Just saying this to argue the fact that all loaners just hunt straight and pop coons is BS.

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I owned Southern Style for awhile and I can guarantee you he was a loaner and I also can guarantee you that he could run, pop, lay, track, or grub any kind of coon up. Just saying this to argue the fact that all loaners just hunt straight and pop coons is BS.

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"How good is a dead loner?" Dead loners are judged by how much money they have won. If they have won $10,000, then they are pretty good. They weren't meant to be pleasure hounds. They are designed and bred to win money.

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