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Re: Thank You !!
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Originally posted by wildwilly0161
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Exactly !!!! This ? reaches the Core !!! How do we Know ? Dogs are born to adapt quickly Through Socialization so the may function in their enviroment. So Many time Faults are Not Genetic rather learned Quickly.
expl. Lets say there where 4 pups in a litter and at a year old they could all tree their own coon.
However only one pup is Stay put and the other 3 leave nearly every tree every time. Bad cross right ?
Should this cross be made again??
But wait a second what if all is not what it seems? Pup A,, she leaves right away upon a snap of a twig!!!! but only because one night a pack of coyotes ran her out and now twigs snapping under our feet continue to trigger this?
Pup B He was Big and Bold but he got Beat up and knocked around on his first few Tree encounters and learned Quick Never Stick Around !!
Now Pup C She is a Smart little thing, you know the kind that's to smart for their own good! Her owner doesn't believe it petting or praising on the Tree BUT Boy oh Boy She has gotten a Scolding with a leash a dozen times or so. Now She has Learned to keep an Eye out for an Incoming Light so She can run and tuck Tail !!!
Pup D Yep the ugliest laziest one ,,,, The last of all the pups to make a Tree and sorry it was......... But on that Tree His owner did something Different than the Norm , He forgot the leash so he Never put it On,,, rather he Hooted and Hollered with Praise to keep Little Lazy's Nails up ON !!! His owner was so happy he Stayed he even petted him and did so from then on,,, NOW he always Stays Treed Hard and he started to Win Young !!!
Is their Enough Treeing ability to make this cross again?
Are the 3 week Tree dogs genetically week or Socially developed week?
In a perfect scenario we can know all of this information about all 4 dogs. However in the real world no matter how much we try we know very little of what goes on after we've snaped the leash.
Now lets look at Parentage. Both Sire and Dam where Top proven Stay Put Coon Hounds. Especially the Dam !! Yet 3 pups will not hold tree. We now know roughly every living thing has 200 to 2000 times more Mitochondrial than Paternal DNA meaning we each carry more of our mothers DNA yet 3 pups will not hold Tree???
Even with all the above information not one of us can tell if it was genetic or not in each of the 3 pups. And more it can be nearly impossible to tell in real timber.
HOWEVER In Breaking these Faults we Can !!!
Only in breaking a fault can we look into the genetics of it Clearly!
And in Breaking it we can clearly see the degree of the fault.
I call it a tiered system. Where as I break the Individual Hound in tiered stagest eg. If it only takes Stage 1 Stay Put Basics to rehabilitate the coon hound to Be a Say Put Tree Dog, Then that Hound is Not genetically week on Tree. However the more tiered stages we go up to achieve rehabilitation the greater the genetic fault shows itself !!!
I use this system to measure genetics in each individual hound then simply apply it to breeding them. I believe this system blended with years of breeding knowledge will some day embellish our breeding practices.
Back to Pup A !! In just 3 times we taught her coyotes rarely come in and that we Have Her Back If and When No More Will She Leave!!!
Pup B always did look so Good but very raley could you see him on wood, His time had almost come,,,,, his owner was almost DONE! But Then a Single Session of Tree Pressure Began !! STAND BACK Pup B IS Big and BOLD Again, No more Trees will he leave because he has been socialized properly.
Pup C Thought she was going to be nice,, closing 3 yrs old and a 3rd person owns her now. This just may be her last go around. Well we watched her under a tree one day in the yard and boy did she tree Hard but then when the leash was applied she choked down and started running around . This little Gype was so smart she was only leaving because she didn't want leashed...So I taught him to teach her not to be afraid by first putting the leash away,,, and Now She'll Stay even if a heard of Cattle came her way.
Oh Ya Pup D from his first to his last He's always held True, for his First encounter,,, impressioned him to.
if a leash ALWAYS holds them Treed There,, How can we expect them to always stay treed there,,, without it? So how do we Get the Opportunity to Teach them to Stay!!! "Put The leash away"
These Hounds where all one tier fixes and simply to smart for their own good so to say or in need of simple socialization.
But breaking them from leaving trees allowed me to look into the degree of the fault and if it is genetic or not. In this case it was not and future crosses proved stay Put.
With this method we can truly see what stimula has caused what,, in each individual dog thus allowing us to make a clearer decision in breeding. While at the same time Greatly improving the Quality of Life of the hound being test/trained. Then we can also apply this information to selecting a mate with contributing traits. [/B]
Wild Willy0161...those are some awesome examples...
I like raising my own pups for the very critical examples you mentioned...
I say critical because any one of those examples you gave can be a major setback...
I wish I knew what you know but I know enough to make the right moves at the right times most of the time...socializing the pup this that way gives the pup the chance to be all it can be...
at the same time I watch critically at first impressions...I want to be sure that the pups I choose for myself are natural bay dogs and natural to range out the first time I take them to the woods etc...etc...if I take the pups many times to the bay pen and they don't bay as I like I will give them the chance but there is a learning curve for all pups and they can be different for different breeds and/or strains...so common sense goes a long ways when making these decisions...when starting out with a breeding program we select to improve the line of dogs as needed...once that is established then it is time to up the game...we now call it purifying the bloodline...this comes through selecting for natural ability...at the beginning there are compromises...once we are in it 3 or 4 generations then the selection process shouldn't be very forgiving ...this is if the pup was raised correctly...
call the pup to you and stick a needle in it's muscle...call the pup to shove a pill down it's throat...it won't be long and the pup figures out real quick not to come when called...then we call it in to load him up to go hunting and the pup runs away and then we get angry and the pup sees the anger very clearly and now it is looking for a hiding place...just a snow ball effect that is going south very quickly...instead I call the pups to pet them up or give them a treat...if I can mix the pill in a treat or dog food I will...with experience we can give the pup a pill without issues if we choose to do it that way...I am always reading the pup to make sure I am making the right choices...timing is critical as well...
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