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Originally posted by hat creek mac
I'm guessing 1/10 ml per 10 pounds would work?

given once a month?

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I would like to hear Dr. Hallada's thoughts on Cydectin.

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I always felt like.1 cc per 10 pounds was pretty diluted and I have given it a different way for 30 plus years...I give about .25 mils once every 2.5 to 3 months...my theory is the high dose will kill all microfilaria and continue to kill any new exposures and as concentration fades away no problem...it takes 6 months for microfilaria to mature to heartworms...they will get hammered in 3 months...the tough guy feel calculation in my head tells me the microfilaria can not be more than 2 months old at best but more than likely way younger if at all...no science in this thinking just theoretical gut feel...but it is working for me...

I have always felt that the .1 mils per 10 pounds could be ragged edge and missing a few days or off a little on weight could lead to heartworms and much worse...what you guys are saying...building an immunity to ivermectin...

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I always felt like.1 cc per 10 pounds was pretty diluted and I have given it a different way for 30 plus years...I give about .25 mils once every 2.5 to 3 months...my theory is the high dose will kill all microfilaria and continue to kill any new exposures and as concentration fades away no problem...it takes 6 months for microfilaria to mature to heartworms...they will get hammered in 3 months...the gut feel calculation in my head tells me the microfilaria can not be more than 2 months old at best but more than likely way younger if at all...no science in this thinking just theoretical gut feel...but it is working for me...

I have always felt that the .1 mils per 10 pounds could be ragged edge amount and this can have the potential for error which could lead to a dog getting infected with heartworms...and missing a few days or off a little on weight to ivomec ratios could lead to heartworms and much worse...what you guys are saying...building an immunity to ivermectin...

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Reuben, it is my understanding that they develop into hart worms in 60 days. It take 6 months before the adult hart worms have produced enough to be detected, but the infection is already there. Also the hart worm preventive does not kill the microfila until it is molting into the next stage. If you hit it in between those times it is not effective. The way that you and many others. Including me have done it in the past is what help cause the problem with the resistance. By slowly feeding them the ivemoc when they were not in a stage where they could be killed by it.

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Thank you Joey...I have been playing with Fire and didn’t know it...

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Thank you Joey...I have been playing with Fire and didn’t know it...

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Mac you do what you want but like I said before, it is a proven fact it has stopped working. It had worked for us for over 30 years. Then me and my partner had 3 pop positive with hartworms. They have become resistant to it all over the Mississippi river valley. It will just be a matter of time before you have a problem.

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gave both my dogs ivermec for years . got one now positive . go back to the vet tomorrow for treatment plan . dog has no cough and plenty of energy .i have been reading about the soft kill method with doxy. and advantage multi . the research looks promising with 95% dogs heart worm free in 10 months . i have put bodie in a cage type kennel to see how he might respond to being confined with the fast kill method and dont think it would be a good option for him unless the slow kill dont reap the desired results .

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You will not need to kennel him. Just do not hunt him, with no signs or symptoms It will not be problem. They just do not want to get their hart rate up. I'm not a fan of the slow kill method, everyday they are in there they are doing more damage.

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Wouldn't you have to factor in the harshness of the normal treatment for heartworms vs the less stressful method of the slow kill to evaluate which method was harsher?

I mixed 1 cc of Ivomec with 9 cc's of Polyglycol and gave a 80 pound dog that had tested positive for hart worms 8/10th of a cc of that mixture every 2 weeks for 9 months, had him checked again and he was negative. I think a lot of the decision on which way to treat a dog depends on how advanced and infected they are.

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interesting info. on heart worms . ( journal of parasites and vectors . molly savadelis ) (dog aware articles heart worm treatments in dogs )

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interesting info. on heart worms . ( journal of parasites and vectors . molly savadelis ) (dog aware articles heart worm treatments in dogs )

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