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I have no doubt some dogs can run 25-30 mph but if they are they are not hunting.

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I wish that everyone could hunt with a freak like we are talking about here. The reason that a lot of you don’t believe in a dog like this is because they are EXTREMELY RARE. Dogs that consistently average in the teens that is looking to get a coon treed as soon as it’s unsnapped can be unbeatable at times. You will only beat them if they make a mistake. There are a bunch of dogs that leave like there tail is on fire and don’t look to get treed for a mile but what we are talking about is dogs that will get treed at 10 feet as well. Until you hunt with one I don’t expect you to be able to wrap your mind around it. I’ve seen 3 dogs like I’ve described 2 of them were out of the first one. I’ve gotten to the point that I reset my Garmin before I turn them loose EVERY TIME because I want to know how fast they are covering ground and how they are covering it. I really like to see 10+ mph and big huge swings on the dog tracks all the time if they can’t do that they won’t live here I don’t care how many coon they tree because sooner or later they will have to beat the freak of nature and I don’t want to rely on them making mistakes so I can beat them.

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I wish that everyone could hunt with a freak like we are talking about here. The reason that a lot of you don’t believe in a dog like this is because they are EXTREMELY RARE. Dogs that consistently average in the teens that is looking to get a coon treed as soon as it’s unsnapped can be unbeatable at times. You will only beat them if they make a mistake. There are a bunch of dogs that leave like there tail is on fire and don’t look to get treed for a mile but what we are talking about is dogs that will get treed at 10 feet as well. Until you hunt with one I don’t expect you to be able to wrap your mind around it. I’ve seen 3 dogs like I’ve described 2 of them were out of the first one. I’ve gotten to the point that I reset my Garmin before I turn them loose EVERY TIME because I want to know how fast they are covering ground and how they are covering it. I really like to see 10+ mph and big huge swings on the dog tracks all the time if they can’t do that they won’t live here I don’t care how many coon they tree because sooner or later they will have to beat the freak of nature and I don’t want to rely on them making mistakes so I can beat them.

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I've had but a couple, seen but a couple more. And, while they are rare as hens teeth, seeing it being bred with ANY type of consistency (heck even just 1) is ever more rare, so to say you've had 2 out of 1 as you've described is doing something. And I would line up to try one IF a man/woman actually believed I even had a 50% chance said pup would be that way. I can't find it, haven't seen it and almost don't think it can be done. And that's not to say I doubt you, it's to say if you feel that could be out there in a litter, LET ME KNOW.

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Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

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Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

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Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

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One thought this has brought to me is how close to a track does a dog need to be to know the track is there. I know on a good track they can sometimes be several yards away but I'm talking about a working track. If my dog goes thru the timber and is 100 ft away from a cold/working track I don't think he will know it's there. I really don't know how throughly a dog needs to work the timber. I just know one with what I call coon sense will find a coon track faster than the rest. Whether he outruns them to it or is just smarter about where to look I'm not sure. And by the way the dog I hunt now is a nice dog but does not have what I call real coon sense about where to find a coon.

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OH MY GOODNESS........ The question was how fast can a dog hunt. Was it not? There are dogs that can do exactly what Jen, Dalton and I are saying....

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I think that the question was how fast can a dog hunt "proficiently". And I never said that double digit dogs don't exist. My lowly opinion is that a dog that fast surely can't be that proficient. Now there may be one or two "freaks of nature" but they aren't "dogs in general".

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OH MY GOODNESS........ The question was how fast can a dog hunt. Was it not? There are dogs that can do exactly what Jen, Dalton and I are saying....

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I think that the question was how fast can a dog hunt "proficiently". And I never said that double digit dogs don't exist. My lowly opinion is that a dog that fast surely can't be that proficient. Now there may be one or two "freaks of nature" but they aren't "dogs in general".

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I am with you on this position, it's makes no difference how fast a dog hunts if they are not hunting efficiently. There is a point when speed undermines a dogs ability to find the coon tracks that are available in the hunting ground you are hunting. I don't care if that fast dog strikes a coon 50 foot or a mile deep I do care when they hunt to fast to strike the tracks they missed while racing around the woods. I have seen way to many times from my own dogs that were hunting faster than their nose could handle and miss coon tracks that another dog struck and treed behind them and real close to where they had been. I don't care what anyone else hunts, that's fine with me, but I hate it when my dogs pass a coon track without striking that track only to have another dog strike and tree that coon. Dave

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Dave, plenty dogs might pass up a coon track when they're in a race with another dog upon first being released. I think sometimes they can smell it and not quit racing. What Dalton's talking about is a dog that only has COON on his mind and doesn't care what anything is doing. It's hard to envision something we've never seen.

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I have owned several dogs that had one thing on their mind and that was a coon, they were indifferent to what the other dogs were doing. I never paid any attention to things like how fast they hunted, but they hunted on a run, knew where to strike a coon and were very accurate when they treed. They were both pleasure hunting dogs and top competition dogs. Dsve

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Curious question? The Trax dog you mentioned who's dog was he?

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Curious question? The Trax dog you mentioned who's dog was he?

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I have owned several dogs that had one thing on their mind and that was a coon, they were indifferent to what the other dogs were doing. I never paid any attention to things like how fast they hunted, but they hunted on a run, knew where to strike a coon and were very accurate when they treed. They were both pleasure hunting dogs and top competition dogs. Dsve

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Opinions differ, I never looked at the speed as being a determining factor on why the dog was a top performer. I am sure that speed is only a part of why any top dog is a top coon hound. Speed is just one if many things that go into a dog being a top coon hound. I judge a dog on how good it is at treeing coons, and that takes more than speed. I have hunted for over 50 years and never bought or sold a dog based on the dogs speed, never asked how fast the dog hunted, and never had any one ask me how fast does the dog hunts. Determining how good s dog is based on speed is impossable, it takes a lot of things to make a top coon dog and speed at best is just one of these. Dave

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I want a dogs hunting speed before struck to be slower than it is after it’s struck.


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Now that's what I am talking about, strike and then drive that track. Find a track by actually hunting one, using their brain, nose and experience to strike coons, then worry about speed. Dave

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Stefan Lab's Trax dog. Saw him a few times and he looked right, treed 13 singles 1 night.

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Hunting speed hmmmmmm....
A fast hunting trax dog ought ta be catching coons on the ground consistently......
If not then ur deceiveing urself about, how fast a trax dog one has........

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Hunting speed hmmmmmm....
A fast hunting trax dog ought ta be catching coons on the ground consistently......
If not then ur deceiveing urself about, how fast a trax dog one has........

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Most fast ones do but it also depends on terrain and whether it is coon that is down and they are running it or if they are running tracks of coons in trees. Ours catch quite a few kill them and then go on looking for another.

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